Shaunoff
Traction Control...
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows if the wires for traction control are already run through the car from the factory in a VYSS S1? I have 2 censors on the diff (not sure if they are for T/C or the speedo) and there's a plug under the console with nothing pluged into it (has about 5 wires running into it). It's not for the interior lights cut off cause I already have it. I know you can buy the switch from Holden so I'm hoping that the wires are already there. Any info would be great! Thanks guys.
Shaun.
Gas Sleeper
Are you asking if you can fit traction control to your SS?
I like my roo well done
Shaunoff
Yeah. I figure if the wires are there, I can just go to Holden and buy a switch. T/C is handy in the rain
Gas Sleeper
Traction control is standard equipment on the SS.
I'm a sceptic...
This is true. My VY SS S1 has it.Originally Posted by WAGON MAN
Assuming you don't have it, why do you want it anyway? VY traction control is a pain in the ass. It temporarily totally cuts out the engine which can be embarassing and downright dangerous, say if you're in the middle of an intersection. And the pedal kicks back so hard, you almost knee yourself in the face! (Ok, that's a slight exaggeration) I always turn mine OFF.
The T/C in the VZ on the other hand is far more refined...
How good is traction control in other conditions? I know that it stops your wheels from spinning from a standing start if they slip but what about around corners, does that ESP or whatever it's called really do the trick at stopping you from sliding off the road? Has anyone actually tried it?
Our traffic coppers turn it off when using the mobile radar (speed measuring head on) because if they get a decent speed reading they quickly have to whip the car around, 180 degrees. I'm guessing traction control would prevent this manouvre.
We should have ALL out police vehicles optioned with it. There's been that many times where someone will get a little over enthusiastic going flat out to a hot job we'll end up sideways for a sec, especially in the wet. Instead the department went for the rear park assist option.
the holden mechanic
well if you dont work on saturdays then you should pop down to holden dealer and go for a test drive with the salesman....i for one can tell you that it works.
as mentioned by davey g force and the pedel being kicked back it is quite hard and annoying when you need to plant it around a corner, although it could be better than having a power pole into the side of the car.
Also i notice that without my traction control on the car takes off alot better (without spinning the wheels mind you) and just drives alot smoother.
I'm a sceptic...
It does stop your wheels from spinning from a standing start. The problem is, it momentarily cuts off all engine power, rather than just enough to stop the wheels from spinning.
I'd say it would definitely help you to not slide off the road and would prevent those scary little moments when you get "over enthusiastic". I guess I'm just saying the way that it operates could be a LOT better.
I'm not too sure what you're getting at with the ESP. That's only fitted in VE Commodores, so I can't comment.
VZ Calais has ESP. Not sure if any other models have it.
The T/C on the six's is less violent, with no pedal push back. That being said however, it still just cut's off the engine, leaving you to look like you have just about stalled it.
never had this stalling problem people are talking about, when does it occur booting from standing?
Yup, pwr on, T/C on, foot to floor. She squeals then cuts out. Then it lets you accelerate as normal.
I'm a sceptic...
Aah, that's right, I stand corrected.
Also around corners while already moving - tiny slide, cut out, stranded in the middle of an intersection, then accelerate as normal...
The sensors above you diff/ drive shafts are wheel speed sensors that givethe ABS a reading. the wire would plug into a T/c swith but it wont give u T/c as the modules in the car would be programed not to have t/c input/outputs so it wont work. you may be able to get trac control if you change your bcm and ecu settingsHi all, I was wondering if anyone knows if the wires for traction control are already run through the car from the factory in a VYSS S1? I have 2 censors on the diff (not sure if they are for T/C or the speedo) and there's a plug under the console with nothing pluged into it (has about 5 wires running into it). It's not for the interior lights cut off cause I already have it. I know you can buy the switch from Holden so I'm hoping that the wires are already there. Any info would be great! Thanks guys.
Shaun.
the wires would be ran so to speak as the t/c is a programmed feature into the modules not a seperate system
hope this helps
Tells it like it is.
TC is great for people who can't drive.
Most of the time I find it a real pain in the a$$. Often getting off the line in low grip situations or when I'm towing (most of the time) are a real pain in the neck when it's enabled - often I have the choice of trashing a clutch or use a bit of minor wheel spin to get things going.
If TC were on the car I wouldn't remove it however I wouldn't go out of my way to put it on either.
Reaper
Tells it like it is.
If you aren't spinning the wheels TC shouldn't matter one way or the other.
Reaper
455rwhp LS3
There is a setting in the PCM that removes spark when the traction control is enabled. This can remove up to 40deg of spark advance instantly depending on what revs you are doing at the time. I would put this down as the reason the car is becoming stranded not a total loss of spark. I will be doing a sedan in the next two weeks so I will have a look then.
I thought id try and get my car to that stalling thing some of yous were talking about but it wouldnt do it, i tried about 6 times on the way from from work with power on/off and traction control on/off it never stalled or was even close to it. I booted it from stand still and going round corners no luck.
I'm a sceptic...
Cool, so does that mean I could get rid of it, or change it so it's not so aggressive when I get my edit tune?
That's weird. Did you lose traction? Did the T/C activate at all?
It's not really stalling, it's just a momentary loss of power...
455rwhp LS3
Yes they will be able to reduce the amount of timing thats being pulled when active. As for that mongrel kicker on the acc pedal I am not sure what you can do there.
I think that T/C was designed for all the supermarket mums and business execs out there who don't have the first clue about driving.
The lowest commom denominator so to speak.
I just turn mine off everytime I get in the car, it's just much nicer to drive without it.
And try going around a few corners on a dirt road with the T/C on......it's just about impossible, it "almost" won't let you do it.
For real world use for the average driver it's a bit of a wank I reckon.
After the following experience I now drive with the T/C turned off and will never have it on again.
On a wet afternoon I pulled out into traffic on a slip lane at traffic lights (turn left at any time with care). I accellerated reasonably hard and bingo. A sudden loss of power for a split second which I beleive could easily have lead to tears, and then away again.
I believe without the T/C turned on I would have felt the rear start to slip and controlled it without the dramas caused by T/C.
Prior to having T/C I had no problems and since turning it off in my VY II Berlina I've had no problems either.
I too would not remove it but just keep it turned off.
I certainly would not go to any expense to put it on.
Regards
Keith.
T/C is there for a reason, I belive that it is an attempt to tell us that we driving to hard. I am not critiscising anybodys driving, far from it, rather that if it is on, we cannot spin the wheels. If we accelerate hard, it is because we are additicted to the feeling, head thrown back, slight push on the stomach, sound from the engine, look on peoples faces, you name it, we love it. I for one dont think that it's such a problem, as no-doubt a lot of people here think the same.
However, if someone is un-use to a bit of power, than it could be scary. When nervous, for some god-unknown reason, some people plant the accelerator, which usally ends bad! My grandmother for one, her foot slipped onto the accelerator before the rolla-door had finished opening, but instead of taking her foot off the accelerator, she planted it and screamed out the garage, through the rolla-door, across the road into the neighbours yard, where the only thing that stopped her was the brick fence in their yard!
Please, feel free to have a laugh, she's fine and even she laughs about it. But my point is, had the vehicle been fitted with a similar system to that on the VY's, here car would not have even made it through the rolla-door, as it would have cut-out. This engine cut-out I belive, in non-confident drivers, could help prevent small previntable accidents.
In your case VYkeith, it was your fault, not the T/C's that it initiated, you accelerated to hard in the wet. Also, you say that you would have felt the rear-end start to slip and controlled it, but the car was already aware, well before yourself, that it was no longer making a reasonable amount of traction with the road, and so probably prevented you from loosing the rear end in the first place, therefore doing it's job, but one it would not have to do if we (and I do mean we) were not so addicted to acceleartion.
455rwhp LS3
I would have thought that the kicker itself would cause more problems than it solves in the fact that it could startle an unwary driver. But then again if your foot got belted around enough you would soon learn to take it a bit easier.
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