Lowering a VY EXEC

[JSCOLLO]

Hi Guys,

Just wondering how low you can go on a VY Exec in Melbourne, Vic. I have been able to fit a coke can underneath all of the car and that is 140mm. If the cops pick you up can they get you if it is to low with a full car load or is it only if it is empty.

[SAV_117]

just say everyone jump out and the lowest point is 100mm isnt it or is melb diff

[adamc11]

as long as the lowest point of your car is no lower than 100mm it will be okay.

[chancevy]

Generally most states will say its 100mm at the lowest point with a fully laiden vehicle. Pulled over a few and when i went to measure all the passangers started to get out. I had to tell them to get back in and the car went under 100mm.

I don't want to start a police bashing poll but thats the law in QLD. Not too sure about melb

[SAV_117]

Generally most states will say its 100mm at the lowest point with a fully laiden vehicle. Pulled over a few and when i went to measure all the passangers started to get out. I had to tell them to get back in and the car went under 100mm.

I don't want to start a police bashing poll but thats the law in QLD. Not too sure about melb

So if there are people in the car at the time they arent allowed to get out??? wow that kinda sucks what about if there is no one in the car and its on 100mm for example do u take in account that if a passenger sits in the it will go under and than defect them

[chancevy]

So if there are people in the car at the time they arent allowed to get out??? wow that kinda sucks what about if there is no one in the car and its on 100mm for example do u take in account that if a passenger sits in the it will go under and than defect them

Seriously depends mate. If i pull you up and lets say you've got a few bags of concrete powder in the back for a proj at home and ya come in at 97mm or whatever, on your way see ya later.

If you've got mum, dad and baby sis in the back same thing.

Now its when you've got great big 20s and you need to put your car over a speed hump by angling onto the other side of the road then ya start getting the 100 wheel out (the tool we use). Yeah if theres passangers, they stay in. If your on your own and your sitting at 100, generally i see you on your merry way, can't book you for something that didn't happen.

*Yes hoons are stereotyped* shouldn't be like this but it is. One idiot spoils it for the rest.

Now don't think of me as some p&#%k of cop who's had a bad day so i'll defect what i can on the next car that comes through. I know what its like, i play to. I've got a VY wagon with 19's running super lows.

[SAV_117]

kool kool was just wondering sounds fair enough i like the original look personally some nice vy ss rims 18's i would like it a little lower but i want it practical as well so ill see how low i can put it before it starts to become stupid

[chancevy]

If you did want to go lower prob start off with lows or super low. anything more than that and your gonna start losing drivability and comfort.

Like i said i'm running super lows and 19s and it still feels like a good ride.

[SAV_117]

kool thanks for that

[blake0182]

Seriously depends mate. If i pull you up and lets say you've got a few bags of concrete powder in the back for a proj at home and ya come in at 97mm or whatever, on your way see ya later.

If you've got mum, dad and baby sis in the back same thing.

Now its when you've got great big 20s and you need to put your car over a speed hump by angling onto the other side of the road then ya start getting the 100 wheel out (the tool we use). Yeah if theres passangers, they stay in. If your on your own and your sitting at 100, generally i see you on your merry way, can't book you for something that didn't happen.

*Yes hoons are stereotyped* shouldn't be like this but it is. One idiot spoils it for the rest.

Now don't think of me as some p&#%k of cop who's had a bad day so i'll defect what i can on the next car that comes through. I know what its like, i play to. I've got a VY wagon with 19's running super lows.

y should it matter who is in the car everyone should be treated as an individual and not looked upon any diffrent , y should a p plater that has worked a 38 hour week on most proberly the 7 dollar an hour apprentice wage and has saved every single sent and work as much overtime as he could to even buy a commodore and is even lukier when he gets is tax back beacause he can lower it and throw rims on be punished for driving his car if hes doine nothink rong and then your crew comes along and throws a sticker on it not onli meaning it cant be drived but now he has to spend a million dollars to throw the old springs in and take it over the pits to most proberly find out his vn/vt has a oil leak and is now up for thousands . yet sum doll bludging loser can steal a car crash it burn it and if hes caugh he will be luki if he has to pay a 500 dollar fine or even easier 50 hours of community service . maybe keep that in mind next time u pull sum bloke over on a power trip or single him out on a booze bus , i personally am an apprentice with no money spent all my money on my car and was stolen and when i finally get money together for another car i will be striaght away putting it on sssl with 20" rims if im not doing a burnout and my tyres have tread i dont no what its got to do with the police

[SAV_117]

i understand what your saying mate i really do but we cant change it me personally im on my p's for another year cause my arm was out the window wtffffff and i got a 120 dollar fine

[blake0182]

yeah need to start sum huge protest up on a sperate site lol , but yeha my point exactly mate its ur arm if u wanna rest it on the side of ur door and u lose it thats ur fault just another thing that has nufin to do with the police

[SAV_117]

exactly its ****ed also i got pulled ova because i slamed my breaks on in my old car and it screeched to stop so i could avoid hitting a cat apparently i was meant to hit it so if its a person do i hit them???????

[392RWkwSS]

dude its comes down to how much u wanna spend? if ur in melb the go down to advantage suspension in moorabbin. nathans a guru and will point u in the right direction. it all comes down to how much u wanna spend on her. $500 will get u kings SL's supplied and fitted if u want somethiing adjustable and uve got 2 gorilas to spend go for some tein coil overs best thing since sliced bread in my oppinion. i wish i had the cash for it. then you can just wind them up if your gunna have a full car and when your on your own dump it on its ass. my 2 cents

[Travy]

100mm ground clearance is the lowest you can go but you must also retain 2/3 of your original suspension travel. 90% of police wont defect you for the suspension travel, but if you check the vicroads website it is in there..

I have been done for it before, but it was just a prick of a cop on a power trip.

[adz_vy]

yeah need to start sum huge protest up on a sperate site lol , but yeha my point exactly mate its ur arm if u wanna rest it on the side of ur door and u lose it thats ur fault just another thing that has nufin to do with the police

u missed the point its not about u losing it coz ur arm was out the window.. theyre trying to stop u from losing it and killing somebody else

[chancevy]

y should it matter who is in the car everyone should be treated as an individual and not looked upon any diffrent , y should a p plater that has worked a 38 hour week on most proberly the 7 dollar an hour apprentice wage and has saved every single sent and work as much overtime as he could to even buy a commodore and is even lukier when he gets is tax back beacause he can lower it and throw rims on be punished for driving his car if hes doine nothink rong and then your crew comes along and throws a sticker on it not onli meaning it cant be drived but now he has to spend a million dollars to throw the old springs in and take it over the pits to most proberly find out his vn/vt has a oil leak and is now up for thousands . yet sum doll bludging loser can steal a car crash it burn it and if hes caugh he will be luki if he has to pay a 500 dollar fine or even easier 50 hours of community service . maybe keep that in mind next time u pull sum bloke over on a power trip or single him out on a booze bus , i personally am an apprentice with no money spent all my money on my car and was stolen and when i finally get money together for another car i will be striaght away putting it on sssl with 20" rims if im not doing a burnout and my tyres have tread i dont no what its got to do with the police

Mate if you read my post you would have seen that every situation is treated differently. I even put examples up so you could try and understand a bit better as to how we use discretion. You ask why someone gets punished if he has done nothing wrong, he doesn't. If his car is too low, its against the law and therefor he HAS done something wrong. Please don't misquote me, not once did I mention P Platers, i made a reference to hoons (can be any age be they Learner, P or O) Mate if we have a booze bus setup we are not singling ppl out. We test 100s of ppl a night and if someone blows over, they get a second more accurate test to give them benefit of the doubt. If they are still over then the rest of the process begins. We don't setup buses for hours at a time so we can snatch one guy. If you want to put sssl's and 20's on then just remember, 100mm ground clearence is there so that your not bottoming out on every speed hump, pot hole or driveway. Its to try and protect the underside of your pride and joy as well as saving the govt money having to repair roads and speed humps when someones scraped out along the way.

exactly its ****ed also i got pulled ova because i slamed my breaks on in my old car and it screeched to stop so i could avoid hitting a cat apparently i was meant to hit it so if its a person do i hit them???????

This one sucks. Cats aren't ppl and the ruling is if you put ppls lives at risk by swerving or braking to avoid an animal you get booked. If its a person and you turn or brake to avoid, good on ya. In your case it seems to me that no one was injured and no one ran up your a** so see ya later. Looks like you did cop this one a bit rough (pardon the expression).

100mm ground clearance is the lowest you can go but you must also retain 2/3 of your original suspension travel. 90% of police wont defect you for the suspension travel, but if you check the vicroads website it is in there..

I have been done for it before, but it was just a prick of a cop on a power trip.

Absolutely correct. Its not just 100mm gc, we also measure from center of the hub/wheel to the lowest point on the wheel arch. Suspension travel is fairly unique to each vehicle so this shows if you still retain that 2/3 travel.

u missed the point its not about u losing it coz ur arm was out the window.. theyre trying to stop u from losing it and killing somebody else

Thank you. Laws aren't put in place out of the blue just to stuff you round. If you lose an arm out the window cos you had it on the sill, to bad. I feel sorry for the 6 year old in the car following who is now traumitised b/c he saw your arm laying on the road.

I think the point of this thread has deviated slightly from a question as to legality of lowering.

[Travy]

Absolutely correct. Its not just 100mm gc, we also measure from center of the hub/wheel to the lowest point on the wheel arch. Suspension travel is fairly unique to each vehicle so this shows if you still retain that 2/3 travel.

I think the point of this thread has deviated slightly from a question as to legality of lowering.

Seeing as Im 99% sure your replies mean you are a cop, maybe you can shed some light on this for me..

In relation to the 2/3 of suspension travel...
In the car i was done in, I had fully adjustable coilovers, the height adjustment on these is the bottom bracket, by lowering the car(raising the bottom bracket) this does not alter the coilovers travel. I spoke to vicroads about this and explained to them, they put me on to one of their engineers who said that I was correct and that I would still have my suspension travel as required, but they said the cop can defect me whether I am right or wrong and that even though I was right that vicroads couldnt do anything unless I was to pay for a engineers certificate.. Now the cop involved is on a power trip around the town has been for years and its well known.. he wouldnt listen.

Now Any car that have been modified with suspension designed to work at lower ride heights should not be defected for this, and the eyebrow height measurement is not accurate in these cases. Would you agree?
Dont get me wrong im all for defecting tossers that cut springs and do dodgy modifications but those of us that spend the money to do things right should not be penalised...

Thanks.
Trav.

[chancevy]

but they said the cop can defect me whether I am right or wrong and that even though I was right that vicroads couldnt do anything unless I was to pay for a engineers certificate.. Now the cop involved is on a power trip around the town has been for years and its well known.. he wouldnt listen.

Now Any car that have been modified with suspension designed to work at lower ride heights should not be defected for this, and the eyebrow height measurement is not accurate in these cases. Would you agree?
Dont get me wrong im all for defecting tossers that cut springs and do dodgy modifications but those of us that spend the money to do things right should not be penalised...

Thanks.
Trav.

G'day Trav,

Mate I completely agree with you on this one, coil overs are a completely different ball game but are still subject to the same laws. In the absence of knowing all the facts, if you maintain your 100mm gc and ehm then there should be no reason for any officer to defect you (remembering i'm in QLD so not certain for VIC). Did he give you a reason as to why he pulled you up?? What was the actual defect stated?? However if you have suspension designed to operate at lower ride heights you must still comply with the regulations imposed on your car. Just because you can doesn't neccessarily mean you should.

The rule applies just as much to cops as it does to hoons, it only takes one to spoil it for the rest. 99% are hard working blokes who don't get paid enough some are morons (every industry has em)

[SAV_117]

because i got done with my arm out the window am i meant to lose demerits for that cause im stuck on my license for another year

[chancevy]

because i got done with my arm out the window am i meant to lose demerits for that cause im stuck on my license for another year

Unfortunately yes. The legislation was passed a few years back but yes you will lose points. Personally i don't get it, I've got a VY and i cant drive with my arm on the sill or out the window, way to uncomfortable.

Again this is all up to officer discretion tho. I see it as a "Mate your on your P's, you don't want to lose em for something silly like this do you?" My experience blue and red flashing lights is a great way for P Platers to not do something ever again

[SAV_117]

thing is he didnt even know i was on my p's they were just getting ppl for it one cop up the road looking and the rest further down they coped 3 ppl of what i could see at least now im just saying why dont they go catch someone who is doing somethin like i dunno robben a store

[chancevy]

Not having a go at you here Sav but could you perhaps imagine that there are more ppl who break the law while driving then the number of ppl who are robbing a store??? Let me just rant for a moment, to everyone who says a cop should go out and catch a murderer or stop an armed robbery or whatever, we have units for this. Homocide squads investigate murders, we have detectives who investigate robberies etc. We also have guys on the road everyday to catch ppl breaking the law while driving.

Depending what you do for a living etc, driving is the most dangerous thing you will do on any given day. The laws are in place to protect motorists and try to make it safer on our roads. Yes I will agree with most of you when I say that *some* of these laws are trivial but regardless the law is the law. It is not there just to p*** you off.

[Travy]

G'day Trav,

Mate I completely agree with you on this one, coil overs are a completely different ball game but are still subject to the same laws. In the absence of knowing all the facts, if you maintain your 100mm gc and ehm then there should be no reason for any officer to defect you (remembering i'm in QLD so not certain for VIC). Did he give you a reason as to why he pulled you up?? What was the actual defect stated?? However if you have suspension designed to operate at lower ride heights you must still comply with the regulations imposed on your car. Just because you can doesn't neccessarily mean you should.

The rule applies just as much to cops as it does to hoons, it only takes one to spoil it for the rest. 99% are hard working blokes who don't get paid enough some are morons (every industry has em)

He pulled me over as I live in a small town, and it was an 2003 STi, only mods were coilovers and 19's (all legal). I was only goin to get a dvd, wasnt cruising or anything, he just pulled me over and did me only for the 2/3 susp travel, I had more than 100mm clearance.

As you say, there are plenty of great cops, but there are the odd few that spoil it.

Thanks for the replies

[chancevy]

He pulled me over as I live in a small town, and it was an 2003 STi, only mods were coilovers and 19's (all legal). I was only goin to get a dvd, wasnt cruising or anything, he just pulled me over and did me only for the 2/3 susp travel, I had more than 100mm clearance.

As you say, there are plenty of great cops, but there are the odd few that spoil it.

Thanks for the replies

I think you might have to put this one down to a moral victory. Its a tough break but if you got the engineers cert and this is a small town copper it'd be like waving a red flag in front of a bull. From what you've told me I agree it should not have happened.