Stupid bureaucratical laws...

[anonymousmoose]

I just spoke to the local LPG conversion shop. I want to get a WK Statesman or VY-VZ Calais. And because of the stupid government laws any car 2004 onwards costs and extra $1440 to convert to LPG. Why? Because any vehicle 2004 onwards need to meet environment regulations on their LPG systems. So the LPG converters are forced to fit a more expensive systems.

So a VY with eco-tec 2003 costs $3000. A VY with eco-tec 2004 costs $4400

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.

[744driver]

Not true. My 2004 VY S Pack runs on an LPG mixer setup, im in perth as well!!!

I was nervous too because some shops told me you couldnt do it, my car has happily passed the pits and i have received the 3k rebate no problems at all...

dont believ the crap some of them say...

call malaga auto gas 9249 6655

[anonymousmoose]

Originally Posted by 744driver

Not true. My 2004 VY S Pack runs on an LPG mixer setup, im in perth as well!!!

I was nervous too because some shops told me you couldnt do it, my car has happily passed the pits and i have received the 3k rebate no problems at all...

dont believ the crap some of them say...

call malaga auto gas 9249 6655

When did you get it done?

[744driver]

about 3months ago mate,

Well worth it in my opinion...

You save fuc*ing heaps.

[anonymousmoose]

Originally Posted by 744driver

about 3months ago mate,

Well worth it in my opinion...

You save fuc*ing heaps.

I WILL give them a call... I'm now glad I posted my little rant...

Is your S-Pack supercharged? Just wondering if the statesman supercharged V6 also converts well.

[744driver]

My VY is not supercharged mate, let me know how you go with malaga mate...

[anonymousmoose]

Originally Posted by 744driver

My VY is not supercharged mate, let me know how you go with malaga mate...

Yeh I called Malaga LPG. They have a different LPG system that is within the emissions standard which is cheaper then Wanagra's. So no one lied to me its just that one has a cheaper system.

[744driver]

Exactly mate... exactly

[andyman]

Originally Posted by anonymousmoose

I just spoke to the local LPG conversion shop. I want to get a WK Statesman or VY-VZ Calais. And because of the stupid government laws any car 2004 onwards costs and extra $1440 to convert to LPG. Why? Because any vehicle 2004 onwards need to meet environment regulations on their LPG systems. So the LPG converters are forced to fit a more expensive systems.

So a VY with eco-tec 2003 costs $3000. A VY with eco-tec 2004 costs $4400

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.

is that 4400 for vapor injection? if it is id prefer to get that, much better system

[744driver]

Originally Posted by andyman

is that 4400 for vapor injection? if it is id prefer to get that, much better system

Sure its a much better system but unless your doing massive km's you will be unlikely to ever "break even"...

Gas adds added maintanence to the car...

I got my car converted technically for "free" so i am saving from day one..

Assuming VSI is 2L/100 more efficient than mixer (unlikely to be that much) It would take years to recoup the cost saving over mixer...

But hey, if ur stuck with an alloytech, i probably dont blame ya, this is the only reason i chose a VY

[commsirac]

Originally Posted by anonymousmoose

I just spoke to the local LPG conversion shop. I want to get a WK Statesman or VY-VZ Calais. And because of the stupid government laws any car 2004 onwards costs and extra $1440 to convert to LPG. Why? Because any vehicle 2004 onwards need to meet environment regulations on their LPG systems. So the LPG converters are forced to fit a more expensive systems.

So a VY with eco-tec 2003 costs $3000. A VY with eco-tec 2004 costs $4400

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.

Yeh, it sounds stupid. The amount of reduced pollution is ba and not really a big consideration in out cities and suburbs.
But it bumps the price up by $1400 or so.....and where does all this money go.....on imported components.

[anonymousmoose]

Originally Posted by 744driver

Sure its a much better system but unless your doing massive km's you will be unlikely to ever "break even"...

Gas adds added maintanence to the car...

I got my car converted technically for "free" so i am saving from day one..

Assuming VSI is 2L/100 more efficient than mixer (unlikely to be that much) It would take years to recoup the cost saving over mixer...

But hey, if ur stuck with an alloytech, i probably dont blame ya, this is the only reason i chose a VY

With the gov grants I payed $300 out of pocket for my VX commodores LPG conversion. Well worth it.

If I had to pay $1400 out of pocket I calculate that I would recoup the money in about 1 year (give or take a few months). I tend to keep my cars between 3-5 years so it would be well worth it.

Maintenance? It only costs $50 to service the LPG system I got on the VX every half a year or so.

[Cheap6]

Originally Posted by commsirac

Yeh, it sounds stupid. The amount of reduced pollution is ba and not really a big consideration in out cities and suburbs.
But it bumps the price up by $1400 or so.....and where does all this money go.....on imported components.

It probably is bull**** atm but I think that it is because while LPG use was tiny it didn't really matter and the concession on emissions was required in order to have any LPG industry at all. For a number of reasons LPG has been and will continue to be for some time, an increasing part of the fuel mix in Oz. hence the need for, and viability of meeting, the new emission requirements.

As a caveat related to the OP, I believe that the emission requirement for LPG conversions is that any vehicle converted after Jan. 2004 that originally complied to ADR 79/00 must continue to comply after conversion if a 2003 build VY complies (and I don't know if it does or doesn't) with ADR 79/00, it will need also to use a type approved LPG conversion. (Yes, some of the type approved systems use mixers).

Apparently some conversions aren't in compliance with the new rules, usually out of ignorance I suspect. One might argue that this is the installer's problem not the owner's but I don't think that it would be that simple.