Stupid bureaucratical laws...

[anonymousmoose]

I just spoke to the local LPG conversion shop. I want to get a WK Statesman or VY-VZ Calais. And because of the stupid government laws any car 2004 onwards costs and extra $1440 to convert to LPG. Why? Because any vehicle 2004 onwards need to meet environment regulations on their LPG systems. So the LPG converters are forced to fit a more expensive systems.

So a VY with eco-tec 2003 costs $3000. A VY with eco-tec 2004 costs $4400

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.

[Flat_White]

Not true. My 2004 VY S Pack runs on an LPG mixer setup, im in perth as well!!!

I was nervous too because some shops told me you couldnt do it, my car has happily passed the pits and i have received the 3k rebate no problems at all...

dont believ the crap some of them say...

call malaga auto gas 9249 6655

[anonymousmoose]

Not true. My 2004 VY S Pack runs on an LPG mixer setup, im in perth as well!!!

I was nervous too because some shops told me you couldnt do it, my car has happily passed the pits and i have received the 3k rebate no problems at all...

dont believ the crap some of them say...

call malaga auto gas 9249 6655

When did you get it done?

[Flat_White]

about 3months ago mate,

Well worth it in my opinion...

You save fuc*ing heaps.

[anonymousmoose]

about 3months ago mate,

Well worth it in my opinion...

You save fuc*ing heaps.

I WILL give them a call... I'm now glad I posted my little rant...

Is your S-Pack supercharged? Just wondering if the statesman supercharged V6 also converts well.

[Flat_White]

My VY is not supercharged mate, let me know how you go with malaga mate...

[anonymousmoose]

My VY is not supercharged mate, let me know how you go with malaga mate...

Yeh I called Malaga LPG. They have a different LPG system that is within the emissions standard which is cheaper then Wanagra's. So no one lied to me its just that one has a cheaper system.

[Flat_White]

Exactly mate... exactly

[andyman]

I just spoke to the local LPG conversion shop. I want to get a WK Statesman or VY-VZ Calais. And because of the stupid government laws any car 2004 onwards costs and extra $1440 to convert to LPG. Why? Because any vehicle 2004 onwards need to meet environment regulations on their LPG systems. So the LPG converters are forced to fit a more expensive systems.

So a VY with eco-tec 2003 costs $3000. A VY with eco-tec 2004 costs $4400

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.

is that 4400 for vapor injection? if it is id prefer to get that, much better system

[Flat_White]

is that 4400 for vapor injection? if it is id prefer to get that, much better system

Sure its a much better system but unless your doing massive km's you will be unlikely to ever "break even"...

Gas adds added maintanence to the car...

I got my car converted technically for "free" so i am saving from day one..

Assuming VSI is 2L/100 more efficient than mixer (unlikely to be that much) It would take years to recoup the cost saving over mixer...

But hey, if ur stuck with an alloytech, i probably dont blame ya, this is the only reason i chose a VY

[commsirac]

I just spoke to the local LPG conversion shop. I want to get a WK Statesman or VY-VZ Calais. And because of the stupid government laws any car 2004 onwards costs and extra $1440 to convert to LPG. Why? Because any vehicle 2004 onwards need to meet environment regulations on their LPG systems. So the LPG converters are forced to fit a more expensive systems.

So a VY with eco-tec 2003 costs $3000. A VY with eco-tec 2004 costs $4400

Sorry, just had to rant a bit.

Yeh, it sounds stupid. The amount of reduced pollution is ba and not really a big consideration in out cities and suburbs.
But it bumps the price up by $1400 or so.....and where does all this money go.....on imported components.

[anonymousmoose]

Sure its a much better system but unless your doing massive km's you will be unlikely to ever "break even"...

Gas adds added maintanence to the car...

I got my car converted technically for "free" so i am saving from day one..

Assuming VSI is 2L/100 more efficient than mixer (unlikely to be that much) It would take years to recoup the cost saving over mixer...

But hey, if ur stuck with an alloytech, i probably dont blame ya, this is the only reason i chose a VY

With the gov grants I payed $300 out of pocket for my VX commodores LPG conversion. Well worth it.

If I had to pay $1400 out of pocket I calculate that I would recoup the money in about 1 year (give or take a few months). I tend to keep my cars between 3-5 years so it would be well worth it.

Maintenance? It only costs $50 to service the LPG system I got on the VX every half a year or so.

[Cheap6]

Yeh, it sounds stupid. The amount of reduced pollution is ba and not really a big consideration in out cities and suburbs.
But it bumps the price up by $1400 or so.....and where does all this money go.....on imported components.

It probably is bull**** atm but I think that it is because while LPG use was tiny it didn't really matter and the concession on emissions was required in order to have any LPG industry at all. For a number of reasons LPG has been and will continue to be for some time, an increasing part of the fuel mix in Oz. hence the need for, and viability of meeting, the new emission requirements.

As a caveat related to the OP, I believe that the emission requirement for LPG conversions is that any vehicle converted after Jan. 2004 that originally complied to ADR 79/00 must continue to comply after conversion if a 2003 build VY complies (and I don't know if it does or doesn't) with ADR 79/00, it will need also to use a type approved LPG conversion. (Yes, some of the type approved systems use mixers).

Apparently some conversions aren't in compliance with the new rules, usually out of ignorance I suspect. One might argue that this is the installer's problem not the owner's but I don't think that it would be that simple.

[commsirac]

Ill tell you what sucks the most, im just having installed a vapour system to my Adventra, so anyway i grab all the paper work and start filling it out, only to read that the average joe can only claim one install every 3 years

Now after my last car dying and i had to ditch it for this one, gas was a number 1 priority, its all paid and getting fitted

And i cant even claim my rebate back, it sucks cause i had to do it, the last car was sold cheap just to get rid of it so i lost heaps and made no profit from the LPG system, but no one cares do they??

The rebate is a $2000 gift, and in my opinion an awesome abuse of taxpayer funds......and you want this gift to be continual?

Not privy to why your last car died(though it is irrelevant), but this safeguard is in place to guard against rorting and to see their investment last for at least three years. Not have people get the rebate on an installation on a $400 POS, scrap it when they get a repair bill for something bigger than $500 and effectively scrap our $2000 investment in your vehicle.

[NORTI]

Ill tell you what sucks the most, im just having installed a vapour system to my Adventra, so anyway i grab all the paper work and start filling it out, only to read that the average joe can only claim one install every 3 years

Now after my last car dying and i had to ditch it for this one, gas was a number 1 priority, its all paid and getting fitted

And i cant even claim my rebate back, it sucks cause i had to do it, the last car was sold cheap just to get rid of it so i lost heaps and made no profit from the LPG system, but no one cares do they??

got a wife??

[Reaper]

And i cant even claim my rebate back, it sucks cause i had to do it, the last car was sold cheap just to get rid of it so i lost heaps and made no profit from the LPG system, but no one cares do they??

??? Since when should the taxpayer fund your LPG system profits??? sounds like they got it right to me.

Reaper

[commsirac]

Thought about that, but you cant claim for gas on a car that already has it installed, ie second hand car with previous installation)

I think you've read something extra into what I posted?

I was talking about the problem of people getting the rebate for a new installation on a $400 POS.

[commsirac]

There are no profits, the car was sold at a major loss?

And guys, im not here to start a war, its my fault for not reading/being told the finer print

Would I be correct in assuming that it may have been more cost effective for you to fix up the car that "died"? or that you put the installation on a vehicle that was near the end of its life?

I do have some sympathy, if you just changed over your vehicle and the vehicle you got rid of went onto the market with the lpg fully functioning then that is what the government is after.....to get more of the fleet onto lpg, but as stated b4, there had to be some safeguards in place to prevent unwise choices and rorting. 24months estimated payback, not bad. Going lpg is a calculated risk, is your insurance company going to value it at $4600 more if its written off, most likely not.

[Reaper]

And i cant even claim my rebate back, it sucks cause i had to do it, the last car was sold cheap just to get rid of it so i lost heaps and made no profit from the LPG system, but no one cares do they??

??? Since when should the taxpayer fund your LPG system profits??? sounds like they got it right to me.

There are no profits, the car was sold at a major loss?

Then why complain about it?

Reaper

[Cheap6]

You have to show that you purchased the gas equipment used in each conversion too; you can't just swap one system from car to car under different names. Evidently some people were abusing the system in that way.

I witnessed a taxi (Statesman) being converted in a workshop and the owner and installer were quite openly discussing how the car would be converted while registered in the owner's (driver's) name then "sold" to the taxi company, so there is more than one way to rort the grant system.

Oh, and I have since found that VYII is ADR 79/00 compliant.

[MEANVY]

Then why complain about it?

Reaper

uhh....cos the car was sold at a massive loss?