Order of power / best model

**Senator Slash** · 30-03-2009, 07:59 PM

I have a mate who likes to be a hater, you know the kind, and he has a VZ SS LS1.

I have a VY Senator. As I understand it, it goes in order from lowest to highest models:

Exec / Berlina or Acclaim
SV8
SS
Clubsport
Senator / Grange
GTS

Now is the Senator a grandpa model caus I know the club is supposed to be for the spirited drivers etc, but I mean who cares if the Senator has more electric gizzmos, its still far from a grandpas sunday driver isnt it?

The GTS is the highest output model at 300 I believe and is like the clubby on steroids without the grandpa factor.

It annoys me no end that he only has an SS but thinks his is more sportier / performance orientated / faster than the Senator. I mean I dont go around looking at all SS's or clubs as turds being all snobby etc I like them all, but i think he is just being a hater caus he couldnt afford an HSV.

Whats the bottom line here?

**alien** · 30-03-2009, 08:12 PM

The bottom line is your friend needs to grow up!

A senator is a HSV, an SS is only a Holden still. There's a reason the Senators are considered "Holden Special Vehicles". Thats all i have to say!

The SS's may be a bit sportier, and are a really nice drive, but Senators are more luxiourous. And you must remember that this is all in the eye of the beholder!

**cewing** · 30-03-2009, 10:24 PM

at the end of the day, they do the same thing. its all about money and appearance. Someone in a HSV says I've got the money and am not afraid to show it off. Not that they're to be thought of in the same group as people who drive porsche cayennes..
My 2c

**Senator Slash** · 31-03-2009, 06:06 AM

It was a tough decision when I got our car as I had a choice between an 05 club LS2 auto or the 04 senator, but the club wasnt leather. Probably would have got the LS2 now that Ive had time to drive it etc. But the leather is really nice.

**Jesterarts** · 31-03-2009, 07:24 AM

Here is my way of looking at it...

Holden and HSV don't actually produce and sports cars...

What yout make has is a powerful v8 FAMILY SEDAN and what you have is a powerful V8 Luxury FAMILY SEDAN.

So whenever he give you attitude about it... just remind him that he drives a family sedan... not a sports car...

I mean... as do you... but yours isn't pretending to be...

**minux** · 31-03-2009, 07:31 AM

Engine wise they are basically the same. Give me my Sig over an SS any day. Your mate sounds like a wanker.

**Senator Slash** · 31-03-2009, 08:42 AM

Yeah he is like that sort of guy that pokes fun even though the logic isnt there. Cheers for responses guys.

**stocky** · 31-03-2009, 09:05 AM

i think GTS comes before senator?

**minux** · 31-03-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by stocky

i think GTS comes before senator?

I think your right there,

Grange
Senator Signature
GTS
Senator
R8
Clubsport

From top to bottom.

**taztassio** · 31-03-2009, 10:03 AM

its VY, so dont forget the gto coupe and coupe4 in that

**Johnsy** · 31-03-2009, 10:31 AM

And with the new HSV's power doesn't come into it, as they are all the same from Clubsport up to the Grange.. so the lighter the car the better in this case...

**Senator Slash** · 31-03-2009, 06:03 PM

Yeah and I think the more gizzmos the heavier it is doh!

**taztassio** · 31-03-2009, 06:44 PM

the tourer is meant to be faster round the track than the r8 sedan, due to weight dist.

**cpbait** · 31-03-2009, 08:28 PM

i have a vy ss, but would love a senator any day of the week over the ss, don't get me wrong the ss is great to drive and comfortable but the senator is just a cut above the rest, luxury, performance and a sportier look in my opinion.

most of all id love the new hsv grange in black, they looking the best out of the lot as it stands alone as its not a commodore base but the statesman base

**Senator Slash** · 01-04-2009, 05:46 AM

Ah so thats why it looks totally different, its because its a statesman base, I never considered that at all but yeah it totally makes sense. I wondered why have one of their lineup look totally different to the rest!

**cpbait** · 02-04-2009, 07:50 PM

yeh, my mate has a vs hsv grange, looks good, but the new hsv grange looks fantastic, love them.

**Junny** · 04-04-2009, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by minux

I think your right there,

Grange
Senator Signature
GTS
Senator
R8
Clubsport

From top to bottom.

when i went in and ordered my car. i was curious about whats the difference between the gts and clubbie was.. they told me its just got different rims and leather seats. and in the clubbie its optional. o.O didnt really understand him

**Senator Slash** · 04-04-2009, 12:37 PM

Isnt the GTS mafless also? Or is that just the monaro?

**cpbait** · 05-04-2009, 12:38 AM

yeh i think the gts is mafless and a bit more powerfull and sportier than the clubby from memory.

the clubby is what 290-300kw and the gts is 317+kw plus i thought the gts had a bit more than the clubby in terms of features like interior trims and body kit slightly different, etc.

**Johnsy** · 05-04-2009, 01:43 AM

The only difference from a R8 and a GTS ( apart from the badges ect ) is MRC.... They are all 6.2L 317kw from base clubbie to the grange.....

**revv_head** · 05-04-2009, 08:40 PM

senator is just a calais v8 and a clubsport is an SS. i would rather a nice v8 calais with all the options then a commodore ss anyday.

**richo7502000** · 25-04-2009, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by minux

I think your right there,

Grange
Senator Signature
GTS
Senator
R8
Clubsport

From top to bottom.

That is the list in order of "Luxury"....As far as power goes in the VY model, it was GTS with the most power at 300KW, then Grange/Signature's/Senators/R8's and Clubsports all had exactly same power output at 285KW for series 2 and 260KW for series 1 VY.
I think the GTS was possibly also the most expensive (was very close to Grange price)
The SS was only ever a standard Holden engine (well Chev) and was 245KW from memory.
Anyone who doesnt give a HSV more credit than a standard SS is a tool!
Let me see would I prefer a stock SS "family car" or one where someone has fitted better Spoiler kit,Suspension, Engine tune and more power, noisier exhaust system, Intake, Brakes, and better seats and interior......geee make mine a HSV thanks! No snobbiness in that decision.

**richo7502000** · 25-04-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by revv_head

senator is just a calais v8 and a clubsport is an SS. i would rather a nice v8 calais with all the options then a commodore ss anyday.

Senator is based on Calais specs, and R8 Clubsport is based on Berlina specs with Climate control etc, Clubsport is more like an SS I guess but has way more stuff!

**greenfoam** · 25-04-2009, 07:33 AM

HSV = add brakes, add tune, add weight for a total gain of just about nothing

and perhaps worse handling. Thats about the truth of it, but there's plenty people around who like the badge status and posh seats. I myself would prefer the SS even at the same price

**Johnsy** · 20-05-2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by greenfoam

HSV = add brakes, add tune, add weight for a total gain of just about nothing

and perhaps worse handling. Thats about the truth of it, but there's plenty people around who like the badge status and posh seats. I myself would prefer the SS even at the same price

Completley different motor and diff gears greenfoam, 317kw 376 ci block @ 6.2L
They go a lot harder and they do handle better ( i test drove a SSV before buying the R8 )

And the seats i think are important if you spend a fair bit of time in your car on the road and on the track.

As for the badge yeah it does make you feel warm and fuzzy

.. thats all part of the superior badge squad

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