another 'what wheels to get' thread

[GTRwilson]

Hey all.

Story goes like this. For god only knows how long(8 months+) ive been chasing a set of genuine VY senator signatures for a reasonable price in Brisbane. I have since basically given up on these as i cant find any. So im coming to you all for advice on what would best suit my car instead of those gorgeous sigs

Car is a stock as a rock, VZ SV6 in white(will also be removing rear spoiler at a later date). Will try and get a pic if anyone is up for some photshop attempts? If not, just some reccomendations on possible good combo's. Im thinking about some of the following:

20 inch VERSUS WHEELS - FITS COMMODORE & FALCON !! - eBay Other Wheels, Tyres, Wheels, Tyres, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 13-May-09 21:03:02 AEST)

Not certain on anything yet, but seen the above on a black VZ HSV and looked hotter than porn

P.S. Can anyone tell me, is it even possible to LEGALLY run 20's on a VZ in QLD? What tyre size would i need to run?

throw some ideas at me!

[Escape-The-Fate]

hey bud not sure on the laws in queensland but i know if u are gunna be running 20's and lowering u will need guards rolling and might have some scrubbing issues...ive been looking around for wheels for my vz aswell and come to the conclusion im gunna keep it looking fairly commodorish with a set of ve ss-v 19's and as far as i understand 19's and super super low springs uve got very little/no scrubbing issues

[daniel555]

Yeah, If you wanna fit 20's with a camber kit and rolling the gaurds, Your still going to have to use the wrong tyre size, and you'll go through tyres real quick. If you want 20's, Go all out and get coil over suspension and all that.
Just go 19's, Alot smoother ride, Plus no worrys about rubbing and you can lower your car and have no issues as jimbo said.

[GTRwilson]

Might be a stupid question, but do i need to lower it if i fitted 20s? Will the car sit any higher off the ground?(e.g. 20's + stock suspension) Also, are the rolled guards and camber kit a must have if still sitting at stock height?

reason being, i hit gutters and concrete stops in car parks enough without lowering it even more

[oosty85]

SV6 has FE2 suspension like SS im guessing. Even with factory 18" wheels mine still scrubs the guards (unrolled) pretty badly in the rear (lowered 40mm).

Just don't go over 20mm lower than where it is now and ur wheel choice should not matter.

[VjamesY]

not sure, im thinking there wouldnt be as many issues, but idk

trust me go 19's, less problems and less wear on your car.

also 20's will look really out of place on your car without lowering etc.
my cousin put 20's on his vy s, before he lowered just to check em out, nice rims but really looked horrible, the car just didnt sit rite.

[oosty85]

Might be a stupid question, but do i need to lower it if i fitted 20s? Will the car sit any higher off the ground?(e.g. 20's + stock suspension) Also, are the rolled guards and camber kit a must have if still sitting at stock height?

reason being, i hit gutters and concrete stops in car parks enough without lowering it even more

VZ have impressive camber even after lowering alot. Your car will sit a smidgen higher with bigger rims. So if you're not gonna lower it, definately no need for camber kit

[VjamesY]

i just read this thread then, this looks like 20's without lowering, check it out

V6 vy

[oosty85]

...It doesnt look right ay..

The next level down from fe2 on VZ's is a 20mm drop. I would do this with 19". Will look shmick

[daniel555]

If you do lower it, A camber kit and rolling the gaurds aint going to help it. To fit them, You'll need coil over suspension and the works done, If you wanna lower it and put 20's on it properly.
But do what you want, But 20's will tear through your tyres so much quicker.
Just go 19's. 1" different isnt really going to make a difference, And they're are so many more bonuses. As in, No where near as much wear as the 20's. Smoother ride, ect ect.

Anyway, Good luck.

[GTRwilson]

thanks for the replies everyone. Main reason i looked at 20s, is because those rims i put up, i have only ever seen in 20s.

So does anyone have any suggestions on what rims i should try out then? be it 19" or 20"

So if i go with 19s, and get 20mm drop, will i require the camber kit, guards rolled or coil overs? What the cost on the 20mm drop from most suspension workshops? I havent looked into this before.

[oosty85]

I just had mine lowered on the weekend at 'Dunlop Spot On' and it cost $450 for 20mm front and 40mm rears..This included fitting, front wheel alignment and rear camber/toe adjustment.

I did not replace factory shocks, as the same place quoted around $1400 for a complete shocks & springs package.

Driving it since I have found that the camber has only marginally been affected..Not enough to impact tyre wear,

The rear tyres do rub the top of the wheel well but mine is alot lower than wat ur looking at doing.

All in all I think if u get a similar package to mine, u definately wont need a camber kit, but maybe push back ur inner rear guards (if u choose 20").

20mm front and back and i cant see and problems heading ur way mate.

Here is a pic of my vz. Just picture the rear level with the front.

[Travy]

If you do lower it, A camber kit and rolling the gaurds aint going to help it. To fit them, You'll need coil over suspension and the works done, If you wanna lower it and put 20's on it properly.
But do what you want, But 20's will tear through your tyres so much quicker.
Just go 19's. 1" different isnt really going to make a difference, And they're are so many more bonuses. As in, No where near as much wear as the 20's. Smoother ride, ect ect.

Anyway, Good luck.

Are you speaking from experience?

I have 20's on my VZ it is lowered a bit (equivalent to SL front and SSL rears) Tyres are wearing great, have had the 20's on for just over 6 months now and they are wearing quite well and far from "tearing through tyres" and no different to my old VY Acclaim with 19's or any other car I have owned (various wheel sizes and profiles from 16's to 19's on those too)

[lastlegend]

Not sure about the legal side but I did ride somewhere on the forum you can only legally go 2" bigger than the stock rims that come on that model???

Someone else here may know the QLD laws a little better.

I have a VY SS and can go to 20" as the stock wheels where 18"

Anyone know the answer to the legal question???

[daniel555]

Yep, I am speaking for experiance, My uncle owns a Bridgestone Tyre place.
When they put 20's on a car, Without coil over suspension, And the works done, The only way they can fit them is using the wrong tyre size. Its dangerous, And unsafe. Yeah they look good, But 19's are they way to go unless getting your whole suspension done.

[GTRwilson]

that foe the replies and pics everyone. Can anyone recommend me some nice looking rims, be it 19" or 20" ?

as for coilovers, ive looked into those, but at $1500-$2000 a set i cant justify it.

[oosty85]

When they put 20's on a car, Without coil over suspension, And the works done, The only way they can fit them is using the wrong tyre size. Its dangerous, And unsafe.

by this do u mean they stretch the tyre over the rims? I know a few ppl that hav this done, and the tyre rolls partially off of the rim with hardcore cornering..hence unsafe

[daniel555]

Yeah, That and not the correct size tyre.

Im not sure what size, But ill find out the info.

[Travy]

I do not run coilovers, there is only one correct load rated tyre on the market to suit VY-VZ.. and its 245/30 20, those that try and stretch a 225 on are using incorrect tyres I agree with you there, but there is a correct tyre, I research everywhere to make sure my car was legal and it is. I have them on my car and I do not have coilovers, I am not scrubbing tyres and I dont even run a camber kit as said previously Im not dragging on the ground low, it is only lowered a little. could go a bit lower though, but not needed for my purpose.

My car

[oosty85]

Looks nice 'Travy'.. better height than mine. More practical. I'm sick of mine already lol

[Escape-The-Fate]

GTRwilson,

if you have a look in the "general" section of this forum minux has posted up laws for each state that you can open with abode reader...i had a look but cant remember wat it stated

[daniel555]

Yeah, I was talking if your car was low, Thats almost at stock height. People running a low suspension will need certain things other then just Camber Kit and Rolling the gaurds.

Anyway, Looks good, I'd like to see it lower. But nice.

[GTRwilson]

So what height is that travy? 20mm drop?

How low could i go with 20" + lowered + guards rolled?

also, just noticed travy that tyre size you stated, was that legal for VIC? might be different for up QLD. Ill have to check out that adobe doc. mentioned.

P.S. those white walls look ****ing awsome haha. exactly what i wanted if i got the sigs.

[oosty85]

with those big rims on 'Travys' car, the rear looks to be about 20mm lowered..front looks stock

[Travy]

I have KHFL 47HD fronts and KHRL 46SLHD rears (basically equivalent to the old SL front and SSL rear codes from kings) to go in with some of the new monroe gt gas sports lowered shocks all round.

Admittedly I would like the front just a touch lower, maybe another 5-10mm but can be stuffed changing the springs again, maybe one day lol.

Car is vic registered, tyres are legal as victoria you can go 15mm over the maximum tyre diameter, rim size is irrelevant as long as the overall diameter is with in the limits
Main thing is load rating, incorrect load rating will void your insurance on the spot.

I use this site to calculate my wheels and tyre diameter Tire size calculator