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difference between SV6 and Calais?
Yes its another one if my threads for you to pick your brain over.
I currently have a Dec' 05 VZ SV6 and im looking at upgrading to a 2006 VZ Calais MY06. What i want to know is the difference between the two? Such as, does this calais share the same drivetrain/engine ect as the SV6?(190KW?) Does the calais have a factory LSD and side airbags ect? what are the calais' worth? one im looking at is $20,500 neg. with 80,000klms. What should i expect to haggle down to? i was thinking 19K? or too low?
its hard to compare prices with others, as its one of the only ones that meets all/most of my criteria.
Last edited by GTRwilson; 19-06-2009 at 10:14 PM.
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The Calais shares the same engine as the SV6 (or can have a 5.7 or 6.0 litre V8 if you look hard enough. The V6 has a five speed auto only, the V8's came with the old four speed auto. You won't find a factory built manual VZ Calais.
I don't know about the LSD beind standard but I don't think it was. It might have been with the V8,
As far as equipment levels, the Calais had FE.5 suspension, a sort of mid way solution between standard and FE 2. Its handling was considered to be excellent as it was firmer than the standard set up but not as hard as the sports suspension. The Calais had standard full leather interior with additional sued trim on doors, dash and console, dual zone Climate Control, individual memory settings for each ignition key so that two drivers could set the car up to suit themselves and the car would adjust to the individual settings, depending on which ignition key was used.
Auto adjusting left hand mirror which dropped to show where the kerb was when reverse was selected, Reverse parking sensors, 8 x 17 inch alloys, unique body kit including SS sills and rear lower guard extensions, front spoiler, fog lamps, SS style headlights, illuminated vanity mirrors, memory seat settings, with 8 way power adjustment of both front seats 6 stack CD with 8 speakers, leather wheel, shifter and handbrake. It's a very full list and the Calais is a big step up in luxury from an SV6.
You can see on this forum that some members have bought their VZ Calais for well under 20k, so haggle if that one you have seen is worth it. Depending on distance travelled, between 17 and 20k is about the range, though some have been cheaper.
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according to redbook, its worth 20K-22K, im guessing this is because of the MY06. Where as i believe the original VZ calais are valued at about 18K-20K. But i find that redbook isnt always that accurate. Whats the go with the black or cream leather? Would one be worth more than the other? as ive noticed the cream harder to come by.
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I don't know if one colour is worth more than the other, but it might be a case of one colour having more appeal to a particular buyer than the other. In that case say, you might think that cream is nicer and be prepared to pay a bit more to get it.Originally Posted by GTRwilson
With the red book values, yolu needc to consider the current state of the economy. Used car prices are heavily depressed because new car prices are being cut to keep dealers in business. I would still say that even an 06 Calais would be available below 20k without too much searching.
The cream leather is much nicer! the perfect combo soo its not soo dark inside the car. But black does look good too i would take the cream but. Calais is just all luxury and sv6 is sporty. Calaber explained it really well. I got mine for 18K wit 64000km on it the buyer needed deposit on house. The body kit of the calais looks sexc ass especially the foglights chrome surrounding sets it off!! and not to mention the tail light looks sexc asssssss!! but if u can find a 6.0L then go for it!! rare to find i could only find 5.7L
My 05 VZ CALAIS --> http://s717.photobucket.com/albums/w...view=slideshow
go SV6 !!!!
fit calais lights and extras and u got best of both worlds
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there would be a hell of alot of extras to fit to an SV6 to make it a calais, too much.
im only after the 6 cyl model, its all i can drive.Its sooo hard to find a white VZ Calais with the cream leather interior. Finding one for a decent price is near on impossible.
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Doing that, he might as well go buy one.
Calais lights are bigger.
To the OP Is all up to ur preference, do u want a sporty look & luxury. keeping in ming the VZ Calais is one the border line between luxury & sport.
I my opinion i do like the Calais but u cant get in in 6 spd, so therefore i went the SV6.
The Blue One
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im not fussed about it being an auto, id probably prefer it. If i was getting a V8 then thats another story, but seeing as im only after the V6 the auto will do.
So what exactly is less sporty about the calais? just the FE .5 suspension and possible no LSD?
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Overall appearance compared to the Calais, SV6 looks more like the SS.
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Running gear wise, they are almost identical aside from the ESP. There is no LSD with the Calais because of the ESP. Apparently the ESP system does not work with an LSD.
$20,500 with 80,000ks is reasonable. I spent about $22,000 for mine which had 75,000ks late last year. You are right, the cream leather interior is hard to find. From memory, I think the type of interior has a lot to do with the exterior colour of the car. White Calais' seem to have black leather interiors by default. I love the cream interior and it is definately worth waiting around for.
Good luck with your search. I don't think you would be disappointed. The VZ Calais is fantastic car and I am delighted with mine.
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i thought that the new VE's had ESP and an LSD?
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My Calais has ESP and and LSD so it can be done.
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So is ESP different from traction control that the SV6 has? or does the Calais have both? argh confusing...
My dad has an '05 VZ Calais, I often drive it on weekends. I have an '05 VZ SV6... both are completely stock.
I think they are both great cars and very very similar. Really down to personal preference - whether you like the sporty look and feel of an SV6 or the features and luxury of a Calais.
To be quite honest, having driven both, mine drives A LOT better, and not just the way it handles or suspension feels, it actually gets up and goes that little bit better as well as sounding much better. It feels nice to get back in mine. (not exactly sure but I think the main reason for this is when they 'detuned' the 190's to meet emissions)
The Calais has extra stuff, but I personally would not upgrade just to get leather seats and a 6 stacker - at least not just for the sake of it.
I prefer the sporty look and feel of my SV6. And to me there is not much difference in sitting on leather or cloth nor do I see a real need to upgrade to dual zone climate control. UNLESS, I needed a new car anyway (and didn't have the money for a VE) or I preferred having the features over the drive
You really have to make the decision based on the drive of the individual car. But from the two at my house I'd take mine any day.
Sorry if I sound a bit blunt. I wouldn't spend the money on such small features unless I had to.
Good luck with the car hunting anyway.
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main reason is half of the things i would like to do to my SV6, are all easily available in most Calais' for sale. Hence the reason im looking at just getting one, rather than throw money at an SV6, and have a half way car, so to speak.
just some examples like, to do a leather retrim in the SV6, $2500. i also prefer the minor things such as the calais 3 digital window speedo, the different headlights and taillights, and the look without a rear wing.
To do all this to my SV6 and have it how i want it, i would basically have turned it into a Calais, only spent more money doing it, than if i just bought a Calais.
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Traction control and ESP are different systems.
To put it extremely simplistically traction helps a car gain traction in a straight line and stops spinning wheels etc..
ESP helps you keep traction while going around a corner, its a very clever system which uses the cars breaking and can brake individual wheels and will cut power when it senses your car is cornering to quickly and are going to or may lose control.
It can be turned off but it very rarely cuts in when Im driving unless I go a bit quick in the rain.
ESP incorporated traction control as well so its an all in one system in the Calais.
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ahhhh ok.
My mate has a VE SV6 ute and when he guns it around a corner sometimes the ESP turns itself off. Is this a fault, or is there some reasoning behind how it works?
In that case I'd say a Calais is a good idea.
My personal thought is that it isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant the effort and money (when I already have such a similar car)..
Then again, that's me, I have decided I'm not keeping mine too much longer - going to upgrade in the new year, otherwise some of the things you've mentioned would probably be on my to do list too.
So, yeah, if you were planning on doing all that anyway I'd say go for the Calais.
The Calais has ESP instead of traction control, main difference basically (to my knowledge) is that ESP allows the cars brake system to automatically brake individual wheels as needed to improve handling and steering control under all driving conditions (it monitors the drive) whereas Trac control prevents wheel spin under acceleration to help control when accelerating.
There is no performance advantage for the SV6 over the Calais. They are identical cars when it comes to performance. It is up to your personal preference. If you like the sporty look and don't care for luxury, then the SV6 is your car. If you want luxury and a nice cruiser, then the Calais is your car.
As for dual zone climate control, it gets rubbished a lot but I find it very useful. When I am driving, I am doing the work so I generally like to have it cooler than my passengers. The electronic seats are great as well and if you have more than one driver, you can each have your own key which has memory settings for the seat position, mirrors and radio. If you are like me, you won't let anyone else touch your pride and joy so you may not need to worry about that
I never knew that the VZ Calais could have LSD. I never thought it was even an option. Thanks for for that andrewmac. Is there an easy way to check? I'm betting mine doesn't have it.
Man.. Im starting to want a Calais.
Anyone keen to swap one for an 05 Turismo Blue SV6? =D
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Yeah if anyone has a white VZ Calais with the cream leather interior, and wants a white VZ SV6, lets talk!
Yeah, there's no difference in performance based on tech specs and I know they are the same engine and everything except again, I base my statement on the drive, mine definitely goes slightly harder and clearly a different exhaust note as it goes up the gears.
Does anyone know what was actually changed during the 'detuning' of the 190 alloytec? is that even what they did? I heard there is a slight difference in power between the two engines..??? (the earlier and later 190's)
Drive the two cars and I think you'll see what I mean. The exhaust note could be simply down to more sound deadening especially the carpet lined boot lid. That's my guess there anyway.
It COULD just be a combination of firmer suspension, low profile tyres and the exhaust note difference that is giving me the illusion of more power lol
I am in no way trying to sway your decision or trying to make the SV6 out to be any better than any other car if that's what it sounded like Hingo. Also my next car will most likely have the well criticized dual climate control as well as leather seats and the likes. I do like the extra features.
I think what I was trying to say is they are such similar cars that there is almost no point in (me at least) doing it BUT GTRwilson has his reasons and I agree, an upgrade is worthwhile here. If I didn't have an SV6 already and was in the market for a VZ I'd likely closely consider a Calais.
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yeah i actually wanted a Calais to begin with, but i didnt have the extra money for one, and i was without a car, so the second a decent priced SV6 came up i got it.(being the next best thing)
It has been a pain in the ass to find a Calais that has what i want in it as mentioned earlier, but ive noticed that this rare combination seems to be selling for more than other Calais'. I dont really think that a specific colour/interior combo should make the car $2000 dearer than its counter parts.
It appears that the seller isnt willing to lower their price to something im happy with, so looks like im still on the prowl for that rare and elusive, perfectly priced Calais with everything i want....
Yeah, I was pretty much set on an SV6 when I got mine. I really wanted a Turismo one but, same deal as you and the cream interior Calais - fairly rare and seemed to be priced a bit higher as well as having owners who weren't too willing to budge on price. Even the car yards seemed to value them more.
I would hang in there and wait to find exactly what you want if possible. I do regret jumping in and not waiting for exactly what I wanted in a way.
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