Generic tune

[Exidor]

Your thoughts, views on this product please.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VZ-ALLOYTEC-3...item3a5558b69a

[andyman]

hmm price is good but id be wanting dyno sheets for proof of that claim on a proper calibrated dyno too

[Torquative]

but id be wanting dyno sheets for proof of that claim on a proper calibrated dyno too

me too andy, me too

[andyman]

me too andy, me too

what you complaining bout, you got it done for free.......

oh i have got a sheet here from mine, but i can guarrentee it will have more than the sheet i got

[TVR-190]

i was expecting it to be a 25cent resistor

[Exidor]

Incase it was missed. This is their dyno sheet.
Is an increase of 35KW realistic or not?

[torana355]

Incase it was missed. This is their dyno sheet.
Is an increase of 35KW realistic or not?

I only got a 25rwhp increase with a custom VCM tune at CHE. I don't think a generic tune will get you 35kw's at the motor.

[bigdaddycool]

Generic tunes including actual dyno tunes dont gain much increase........ u might realistically see 20-30rwhp gain...... (15-30kw at engine).

People 'safely' tune your cars......... those generic tunes, anyone of us with VCM Suite can in theory adjust your car for $450+ ........ as we have to purchase licenses per car to do it.

But the alloytechs do have power to give if u hunt hard enough for it........ atm personally I think my cars pushing 240kw at engine......... but I wont be dyno'in it at this level as it's getting hot due to my mass cam advance.......

A good figure reachable safely I beleive is about 215kw at engine........ making 140+kw at wheels.

*** If your gunna get a generic tune, hunt around, check out reps of tuners......... find a good one that will go the distance to give u the most out of the engine.

[Exidor]

Reputation. Theres another variable.

[Danoz]

atm personally I think my cars pushing 240kw at engine......... but I wont be dyno'in it at this level as it's getting hot due to my mass cam advance.......
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240KW? RUBBISH! Dyno it to prove! How do you know your car is getting 240KW at the engine??????? By the way it feels????? Another classic bigdaddytool quote!

[Danoz]

240KW? RUBBISH! Dyno it to prove! How do you know your car is getting 240KW at the engine??????? By the way it feels????? Another classic bigdaddytool quote!

Dont forget the 20KW gained from painting your engine covers.

[ashbox]

A good figure reachable safely I beleive is about 215kw at engine........ making 140+kw at wheels.

is that for an exec motor cos my sv6 is making 140rwkw with just adjusting the a/f ratio

[bigdaddycool]

*edited message*

Danoz. "Be Jealous" - You talk to me like most fools who get smoked off the lights. Not the first, wont be the last. I've run my car up against other tuned commondores........ and well 'by by'......

I suppose this is somewhat 'on topic'. My point being 99% of tunes for these engines SUCK. Woopdie do, up torque in base tables, reduce knock spark reductions etc........ yippe still crap.

Tuners do 'safe tunes' ....... hence why I bought my own stuff, and have been tuning for the past year almost now. ........ learning, learning ....... learning.

Danoz "bro" ...... 'your just a fool' or what that 'your just a tool'? ....... lol u get my point.
*****

Ashbox.... a SV6 is a bit different, while harder to tune........ if u spent enough time on it yes u could probably get a fair bit more out of it due to the excaust cams being able to be adjusted. it'd be a paintful process that would be better done on a dyno, but no tuner would fiddle with inlet cams and the excaust cams....... *too much of a headache for them if something went wrong*

..... But SV6 does get advantage of the variable exhaust cams....... as they close more allowing more torque in general, due to the pressure between the intake/exchust cam opening. (execs exchaust cams are fixed)

--- I could go on and on ......... But I recon could push a SV6 upto the 160rwkw with enough tuning. But like my car you'd need some serious mods......... diff, insulator, pacers, hi-flows, tranny tuned properly....... tranny cooler...... etc etc etc

[jaisvz]

#1

Dont forget the 20KW gained from painting your engine covers.

- LOL

#2 Alloytec doesn't have a H on the end

and

#3 Danoz, you can borrow my tuned alloytec to drag... it will absolutely FRY bigdaddycools

[torana355]

240KW? RUBBISH! Dyno it to prove! How do you know your car is getting 240KW at the engine??????? By the way it feels????? Another classic bigdaddytool quote!

Im no expert but a 50kw at the motor increase from just a tune sounds a little far fetched. I know the LS1's were detuned from factory so a large amount of power could be made from just a tune but the alloytech's only have the torque detuned right? Anyway i don't see how anyone could tune a car for 1 year and not put it on the dyno, how did you even know what effect each part of your tuning actually had on the motor.

[bigdaddycool]

I think to clarify tuning matters......... A good article to showcase some tuning:

Chipmaster Dyno Tuning Homepage

It's based on a V8 yes.... but it gives you a general overview of the directions you can take to gain power at the rw.

With mods they rose their engine to output 140kw..... and even with minor mods they rose it by 90kw......... 30% loss...... putting out an extra 60kw at the rw.

Now if you take into comparison a V6...... minus the additional 2 cyclinders of this review with a crapload of mods...... it's highly possible to take a stock VZ producing the 140kw atw mark (alot of 05's exec do)......... and run it upto about 160-180kw at the wheel. (thats actually archiveable).

Or..... you could just by a V8 which will put out a similar figure stock

1/4 mile times (drag off the lights)........ isn't based on a dyno output figure however. ......

Read the article if your intested in how to get more power

** To take a jab at SV6's supercharged car.......... the biggest flaw he has is his gearbox which ultimately will tell the engine how much power it will allow. If you cannot tune your gearbox to allow more power thru it.......... your limited. Just like anything yes you can throw on a supercharger and yes it will make any car faster....... but it's hardware/tuning that make a 'great' car not just a 'good' car

[f1tzy]

Execs dont make 140kw stock not even close. Try the teens

[torana355]

Execs dont make 140kw stock not even close. Try the teens

Yeah the SV6's get 140rwkw stock but the execs are about 125-130kwkw

[Corbs1234]

with just an exhaust, no tune, nothing else my 2004 s-pack ute with 155000km is making 138rwkw (dyno was done 2 months after a service)...thats the 175kw alloytec....and the SV6's made 190kw from factory.
I think BigDaddyCool is correct, tuners only adjust the engine to safe levels, otherwise its their ass if something goes wrong, in terms of increased engine wear/problems..
With a safe tune and a CPR6 manifold im pretty sure it could achieve 160rwkw, which is the 210KW at the motor which was mentioned earlier.
Although it must be said this is through a manual transmission...

[Corbs1234]

having looked at the item on Ebay...are we paying for the tune, or for an entirely new computer....?

[Exidor]

You post your ECM to vender. They re-program it.
They post your ECM back to you. They claim around
two day turn-around.