Esp

[Greesie]

Hey,
Dont no if this has been asked before in a post, had a quick search and found nothing really helpful,
I have a VZ acclaim with ESP fitted, I really dont like this, especially in the wet, cus even when you take off at a reasonable rate the traction control kicks in and it sounds crap and I want it gone haha, I would like a switch so i can have it off and it not come back on next time a start my car, but maybe still be able to turn it on if i choose to...or even gone completly.
Was thinking maybe a relay put into the acc wire...so after it starts and acc comes back on it will disable?

or if anyone knows a wire to cut or anything haha

Cheers
Mike

[alex2_s]

Is there no T/C button on the centre console?

[STEEV888]

ahh i have seen this question answered before.
what you need to look for is gas conversion threads because once u get an AFM gas conversion the t/c needs to be permanently off otherwise it stuffs with the gas etc.
ill try to take a peek and find one if i can but if not ur on ur own.

[Greesie]

There is an esp button but it resets to 'on' every time the car starts, i no its not a huge deal to click it but if its not to hard itd be wikkid to just have it gone or not reset each time,
thanks mate at least its possible, maybe ill call a place that does gas conversions, im sure if ya no wat your doing itd be a simple programing thing, ill search abit more,
cheers for replys

[STEEV888]

sorry but ur a bit out of luck locating how to do it. you could try to go by this guide if its a series one it might not be that different

+ VY How to disable Traction Control (ETC)

it covers vx-vy and that was the thread i was refering to.

also you could try locating the wires urself etc and trying but the less "blind poking" you do the better. ringing up a gas conv place would be a tops idea. didnt think of that one myself.

[STEEV888]

also although it doesnt feel like an on off button just a button that the comp decides what to do when u press it if u check under the centre console and there are 3 wires going to ur button that means you can bridge 2 of then to have it permanently off but dont ask me what ones.. also not my fault if u stuff it up 0_o

[Greesie]

thanks for doing the research mate, much appreciated.
Yeah i see what your saying bout bridging out the two wires, hopefully it is that simple, might just leave it and speak to someone who has done it before to avoid unnecessarily blowing fuses or whatever ha

[Slipper]

so let me get this straight...you want to rewire your car so you dont have to press a button every now and then?

[acarmody]

You know that traction control only kicks in when it senses wheel spin, it doesn't kick in when it 'thinks' your accelerating too hard. So all those times that it has kicked it, you were starting to spin your wheels. Maybe you should be looking at better tyres instead.

[Greesie]

Haha well if it's a full we-wire then no I wouldn't do it but if it's a simple relay or bridging of terminals that would take five min I'd do it.
That's a good point, so if it didn't detect wheel spin it would engage? Maybe the next tyres will be abit better, these ones are the ones that come free with rims so doubt they are that great

[calay]

its not that hard to drive without spinning the wheels all the time, if thats happening to you then either you drive too hard or your tires are shot

[Greesie]

I'm just asking if anyone new how to do it, and how hard it would be. I don't get wheel spin hardly ever in the dry but i do alot in wet, pretty sure my tyres arnt the greatest but i don't drive too hard

[2005vzute]

this might sound dumb or i mightve missed something obvious...what about an independant switch going to the esp button...i don't think it'd matter if its on the power of earth side, but if you had a switch to stop power to the esp button would that keep esp off untill you turn on the independant switch?...that way the only time esp turns on is if you have your independant switch on so the esp button has power to it?, so long as that indepedant switch is turned off when you turn the car on and off, there will be no power to the esp button right? myabe no power to the button could mean to esp...which would be what your looking for:S...just a thought..someone would probably come out wit something technical that won't allow this idea to work, but ask some auto elecs or something?

[STEEV888]

this might sound dumb or i mightve missed something obvious...what about an independant switch going to the esp button...i don't think it'd matter if its on the power of earth side, but if you had a switch to stop power to the esp button would that keep esp off untill you turn on the independant switch?...that way the only time esp turns on is if you have your independant switch on so the esp button has power to it?, so long as that indepedant switch is turned off when you turn the car on and off, there will be no power to the esp button right? myabe no power to the button could mean to esp...which would be what your looking for:S...just a thought..someone would probably come out wit something technical that won't allow this idea to work, but ask some auto elecs or something?

this would work if my theory about it being an on/off button is correct.

but it could also be a button like say on/off switch on a tv control.. u press it once it turns on (because the computer in the tv decides to) u press it again it turns of. but u press it with ur hand over the control and nothing happens.

so it could also be a switch that just connects power when it is pressed. so if u were to put in an extra switch you would have to push 2 switches for it to work lmao..
but until somebody is daring enough to take theirs appart then post it perhaps we will never know.

[Greesie]

Cheers I see what your saying about the independent switch, good thinking, guess only thing could get in the way is if the computer automatically switches ESP on and you need to click to tell it to go off... Haha and like Steve says it also depends if it's an electronic switch or a physical gate switch, but maybe even a relay night work, like the one you put on DVD screens in your car that require the hand brake to be on the watch movies,

Might be getting abit to much effort to do tho haha

....does anyone no of it's damaging or wearing out pArts when the traction control engages? Cus when it senses wheel spin it makes a grinding sound in the diff and that's probably more what I'm doing this for....basically I'd prefer a little wheel spin rather than hearing this sound,
I've never driven a car with traction control before so I don't no if it's mean to sound like that or not.


Cheers
Mike

[STEEV888]

the traction control works by cutting fuel to the engine so it shouldnt have a direct effect on the diff all i can think of there is if its esp then that could be the back brakes engaging to stop the wheel spin it could also be the relief of pressure in the diff when the engine gets cut. if you are certain it comes from the diff then go check the oil. it should cost u about $50 to replace it or less just to top it up if needed.
also you could try and do tests jack up the back of the car run it put brakes on see if they grind.

[slidways]

I have a vz acclaim aswell ESP doesnt really worry me if i wanna thrash around i just push the button and its gone. That grinding type noise u are hearing is the brakes as thats hoe ESP work it locks certain wheels on the car at certain times to stop u from spinning out. It is impossible to go sideways with it on.

[Slipper]

i think you are all confusing ESP with traction control...

[Bravotwozero]

i think you are all confusing ESP with traction control...

To turn off traction control you need to turn off the esp. They're not separate programs. Nobody is confusing anything.

[richardpalinkas]

do sv6's come standard with esp or is it an extra? soz if thats stupid, just in the book it looks different

[Slipper]

well i didnt know that VZ's had ESP at all until i did a bit of research, richardpalinkas i dont think they did, im not even sure if it was an optional extra, sort of a pity, why on earth they'd give it to an acclaim and not an sv6 ill never know

[richardpalinkas]

hmm, oh well, back on topic lol

[2005vzute]

impossible to get a vz with esp on sideways...hmm, i think next time im with my brother in his calais we'll give that a go hahahaha...does have a sumo wrestler pushing the rear of your car sideways countas getting it sideways with esp on hahahaha...just a thought on that independant switch, whether it's a physical gate or an electronic thing..when i was wiring up my spotlights, i was reading the instructions and when it talked about tapping into the high beam wire it explained something about it..it said something about neutral switching or something, meaning it uses a computer...from what i gather from that, it uses a computer to tell it when to earth or something? instead of a direct earthwire? maybe esp could be the same, maybe it does use a computer to tell it when to ground and create the circuit when its turned on:S...might have to find someone that has the vz manual or something...do VE's have esp? i can find out possibly for a VE?

[Critical Jim]

I think all VE's come with ESP.

[STEEV888]

yeah all VE's have it and yeah it is so hard to get sideways with esp.
mates got an sv6 (I LIKE COMMODORES) and when he first got it what do u think the first thing we tried to do was ? haha
they say a computer can never be smarter than a person.. but damn it they are close.