Alloytec Racing
The Panel or Pod Test!!
Well i found a pod filter lying around the shed, i think it came off the old VR i used to have. Decided to whack it on the alloytec to see what all this induction noise is everyone talks about. Verdict, tiny bit with the engine open, at about 4500rpm, it gives a nice like suck.
After a bit of a healthy flog down the road. Not noticing anything at the wheels i looked down to see an astonishing 32l/100km :O i nearly pushed the car home there and then.
As i am a facts and figures kind of guy, im going to honestly tell you that the pod filter does bugger all at my feet, i dont get much induction sound and after resetting the L/100km i went back to my normal 11 - 12l.
im going to leave it on over the next few day's to test the 'pod gives better fuel' theory people also harp on, i will update my l/100km over the next few day's if i see an improvement it will stay.
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Cammed & Eventualy Blown!
Is it in an enclsoure?
Blown Alloytec
no enclosure
Banned
32/100?? wtf. A filter is a filter. unless you undid something that meters air or fuel then that doesn't make much sense. You didn't look at the immediate fuel consumption at WOT did you???
Cammed & Eventualy Blown!
should have an enclosure to see the better results, a panel filter works better then a pod when its not enclosed, once enclosed works better then a panelOriginally Posted by richardpalinkas
Blown Alloytec
my theory is... having the standard intake system, whether it be 2 hole mod or mcai, the air has to travel through the airbox inlet, through the filter and then back through the outlet to the maf, where as the pod it only has to go through the filter then the maf. in saying that, i think the pod would be benificial in the sense that the engine will not work as hard to get the air it needs, which should in theory reduce fuel consumption. if the pod was in an enclosure, it would be even better.
Banned
WTF!?
How do you think the engine has to work harder to draw air through a panel filter!
It totally depends on the element quality and design plus filter surface area. Not what shape it is. The only reason you would want a pod is if you've no room due for an airbox due to intercooler pipe work or the likes.
When I installed my headers, the computer was reading 99l/100km, in reality it wasn't, after a few days it came back to normal, then improved. Same with the CAI I installed, get much better fuel eco, as the stock boxes on the VE's are quite restrictive.
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
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No they're not.
Computer will read 99/100 when its been reset.
Blown Alloytec
dunno, makes sense in my head, shortens the intake run. not that it has to work harder to draw in through the panel filter itself, but the box! the panel filter is fine and more likely flows enough, but the airbox itself looks as if it would reduce the flow of air, in terms of how smooth the airflow is
Blown Alloytec
get a vacuum cleaner and look at the hose. if you suck straight from the hose at the end, it has the most power in sucking, where as if you had a chamber that is not symetrical, the airflow is disrupted in that chamber (airbox)
Banned
The volume of the air box is sufficient enough for the displacement of the engine. Sure, you might make 2hp more with no intake on it at all, you will gain exactly squat from playing with filters and holes in an air box, with an asthmatic 3.6ltr V6.
It's hard to judge the performance of an airbox, intake pipe or air filter just by looking at it. Really the only way to find if there are any significant restrictions in the intake system, and if so where they are, is to test the pressure drop in various parts of the system with a manometer or the like. Autospeed has some very good articles on testing intake systems which would be a good first port of call for anyone serious about upgrading the intake system.
Banned
run a car on any dyno, then do the same test with no intake on it.
Been there done that, noticed minimal difference.
I did back to back tests with an airhammer CAI, difference was 6rwkw and a fair margin in torque untuned. Monaro327 had similiar gains. And my ECU hadn't been reset, it showed 99l/100km for a few minutes.
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
Yeah sounds logical to me. plenty of people have the dyno's to prove it, don't see what the big fuss is about.
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
Alloytec Racing
im just ab asic guy, can you explain WOT?
the pod has no inclosure, attatched directly to the maf, im wondering what difference a Pod enclosure would actually make, yes it may draw 'hotter' then normal air temps at idle but my thoughts would be it has access to more cooler air at speed. Ive never been much of a fan of Pod Filters enclosed or not, im more of an otr kinda guy i think.
As for the fuel consumption, it was after approx 5 minutes of driving. This morning when i arrived to work it read just shy of 20L/100. leaving work with the stop start traffic hit a massive 24.2L/100km. once it opened up went down to 15L/100 then at home 13L/100.
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Banned
Prove it....
All you've had so far is comments, with no back up information.
Yeah, that setup wont help anything. WOT means wide open throttle. There could be any manner of reasons for the fuel consumption issue. Shite filter/hot air being among them.
Will do, starting with mine... will scan dyno sheets when I'm at uni... 142 rwkw to 149 rwkw
Kuzman's Supercharged SV6 - MACE TUNED
Banned
Dyno sheets don't prove anything. Show me it was due to the intake and not having the temp sensor moved. Its less then 10kw and you expect me to believe that a dyno is that accurate everytime?
I've driven allot of cars, and fiddled with just as many, never have I seen an fuggin hole in the airbox or pod filter make any difference. ever. Your V6 isn't any better.
Alloytec Racing
how isnt a dyno sheet enough proof?? it shows the car has gained power, which is what we are all about here?
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Alloytec Racing
is that 7kw from a pod filter? lol
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You can dodge the dyno just by moving the intake temp sensor. And less then 10kw can be put down to a small difference in any number of variables.
Alloytec Racing
where is the intake temp sensor located on an alloytec mate?
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