Upgraded cams for 175 alloytec
Where the f*** can i get upgraded cams for 175kw alloytec? Ive asked a few shops and they said they dont do anything for the alloytec except modify the ones youve already got?????
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Alloytec Racing
be prepared to pay through the nose for it... but give CHE exhaust a call, or phil from peformance manifolds
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Cheers for quick reply. Might ask about a price for the cpr6 while im there
its official. there arent any cam upgrades for 175kw
Blown Alloytec
yes there are, performance manifolds do them
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You're arse is going to sting for a while, and then worse when it does bugger all :P
To soop. Im guessing you own a big thirsty v8. Have fun paying 100 bucks to fill the thing up when fuel goes over 2 dollars a litre and keeps rising
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LOL.
Economy is directly perportional to power. The more power you make the more fuel you use. Doesn't matter how many cylinders it has.
Besides, it was a bit of tongue in cheek. Get over it.
Alloytec Racing
the funny thing is that they have the same size fuel tank dont they? i think they are both 68L, which does mean... we v6s pay the same price at the pump anyway... ive also known a few 'thirsty' V8s that get more km then my v6 per tank. probably cuz they dont need to driev as hard to get as fast..Originally Posted by red_rocket05
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Cammed & Eventualy Blown!
Speaking of thirsty v8s my ve gets more to a tank then my old v6 lol
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I think the word you're looking for is torque.
Email from performance manifolds. Four new billets Retail at $2550 parts only plus $1500 labour to fit PLUS a RETUNE. The camshafts will only work to full potential with the CPR6 inlet fitted for $1615. (Or so they reckon)
If you wanna go playing around with cams you can do it via VCM Suite....... I mean honestly it'd virtually workout the same as getting some made. Cams are controlled via the ECU these days....... this is why they dont make them. You can just change the setup via tuning software.
eg. I'm running a heavily modified VE SV6 tune on my 175kw auto vz exec.
The only really mods you can do with the 175 motor is to buy the CPR6 manifold.... it's the only thing that would actually help add power.
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Can't change the duration and over lap with an ECU.
booosted
I think whats he's refering to is the variable valve timing run on the alloytecs
Power is measured in DECIBEL
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Yeah I know.
Not as good as changing the cams still. Which is what I was getting at.
Alloytec Racing
So what Qaulifications and real time experience do you actually have in tuning? You seem to talk it up all the time, yet.. you prove nothing and you always tell a different story to the last one, tell me.. does your engine covers still increase torque?
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P-plater
The way the ECU adjusts the cam timing is very simple, its doesn't adjust the profile or lift of the cam, which makes the most difference in cam upgrades. Bigdaddy, have you ever sat in a car with hardcore cams? The car barely idles, its rough as, but when you get her going, the power keeps climbing untill the airflow is restricted by the timing and lift profile of the cam.
That's a good reason that more rpm doesn't necessarily mean more power.
And why bother with the CPR6? Get it if you are going to sit at redline for the cars life, but that's all its good for.
Originally Posted by Little Red VZ Go-Kart
1. Why would you want to floor it, or move it to the red line? Especially with the lack of airbags and ABS features!? What do you hope to achieve by that??Originally Posted by HoldenV8
give everything a spray with wd40 wheels brakes that should fix the squeaks
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Doing cams in a DOHC engine is a waste of cash, 4 cams to pay for. Honestly, just intake and exhaust upgrades with a maffless tune will set the 175 up quite nicely.
Just some p-plater
firstly, mucking around with vcm suite is not going to change the timing of the cams, because theyre done with timing chains..... and it's not going to change the profile of the cam lobes either... so that's rubbish...
And secondly, you can't run a "heavily modified VE SV6 tune on your 175kw auto vz exec"... so whoever told you that just ripped you off... There are different components on an SV6 in the inlet manifold, and i beleive there are subtle cam and throttle control differences in the PCM that can't just be "transferred over". They also have a different gearbox to yours.
Nothing personal, i'm not nitpicking, just that the alloytecs are complex and easy to get confused over. I've done enough (probably too much) work to mine to discover that they're very difficult to get anything out of.
If the OP wants to try cams out, by all means go for it.
P-plater
Cam timing can be adjusted 50 degrees advance or retard by the computer. Its not hard to engineer.firstly, mucking around with vcm suite is not going to change the timing of the cams, because theyre done with timing chains..... and it's not going to change the profile of the cam lobes either... so that's rubbish...
And secondly, you can't run a "heavily modified VE SV6 tune on your 175kw auto vz exec"... so whoever told you that just ripped you off... There are different components on an SV6 in the inlet manifold, and i beleive there are subtle cam and throttle control differences in the PCM that can't just be "transferred over". They also have a different gearbox to yours.
If the OP wants to try cams out, by all means go for it.
Originally Posted by Little Red VZ Go-Kart
1. Why would you want to floor it, or move it to the red line? Especially with the lack of airbags and ABS features!? What do you hope to achieve by that??Originally Posted by HoldenV8
give everything a spray with wd40 wheels brakes that should fix the squeaks
Big block Alloytec
If you are determined to change the cams. Why not put some 190 inlet cams in? They have slightly more lobe height than the 175 (6.2 vs 6.5mm). Or experiment with some VE cams. If they are different again.
Last edited by heyitsEnricoPallazzo; 18-02-2011 at 12:08 AM.
How about this. If you want more power......... go buy a FG XR6 Turbo!
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Actually I have a question.
I have switched between every tune possible under this alloytech ecu playform for my car. If the cams dont change like you say why does my exhaust note massively change at every interval throughout the rev range depending on the tune i'm running for a particular car? eg. tigher cams sound more like a turbo rex as opposed to the sad sound of the 175kw tune which is more like a dud cough potato peice of *****
Answer me that. the VE SV6 is the best sounding, the most variable in terms of refined power from start to finish. It's just a bugger to workout VE, Airload as the intake manifold and TB on a VE is different etc.....
Like seriously........ Play with some tunes and see what you find...... Chuck on a 225kw 2007 Cadillac Direct Injection tune onto the 175kw alloytech, convert everything properly and go jump into WOT at 100km/h on the highway and then tell me u dont notice a massive difference.
PS. You must have the mods to backup being able to deal with such a task. Higher ratio diff, pacers, cats etc.....
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Best modifications to the alloytech:
1. Diff
2. Pacers/CatBack
3. 2 Hole Mod (preferabe, SS Inductions if you get a professional tune)
4. Manifold spacers
5. Tune via Professional
6. Tune it yourself
7. Supercharged
8. NEW CAR - SIDI, SS, HSV or XRT6 Turbo
I've spent way too much $$$ doing trial and error. From my 3 years of having an exec, thats the order I would put them in.
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