Turbo a good idea ?

[SH.00.MA]

Just wondering, if im able to get my hands on a stock turbo out of a gtst r33 skyline could it work in a vz sv6, and if so what would be involved and costs ? Just an idea atm...

[Kiddo]

Custom manifolds, tuning, etc so it would set you back alot. with the $$'s you'd spend, you could just grab a supercharger kit from raptor.

[one_and_only2004]

The turbo would most likely be way to small anyway.

[azazeldeath]

The turbo would most likely be way to small anyway.

Not exactly, remember the skylines run a straight 6. And the R33 comes with an okay stock turbo, that said you could buy a supercharger for less. Or even a turbo kit for less then it would cost to get all the custom stuff made up.

[richardpalinkas]

you need an aftermarket computer, all up, a turbo kit cost around the 10k mark

[SH.00.MA]

Definately not worth the money or hassle then

[YILDI2]

proflow offer a turbo kit for the sv6 if its for alloytec, i think its around the 5,000 mark all on then max 1000 for a tune and get your fuel suppliers sorted out lol and your off
or if its for your vy ecotec is what i would turbo, access to alot of aftermarket forged internals for that engine from the usa, plus you can buy twin turbo manifolds from pcpa for a 1000 get some cheap turbos off a r34 gtr or r33 gtr, possibly re manufactured for reliability get custom dump pipe and if you have a reasonably sized exhuast keep it on and you get the rest, so not bad you can run 10psi on your ecotec depends on how good youve taken care of engine km;s etc, you can get water methanol injection aswell to lower detonation and keep it safe i reckon 9-10 psi all you need probably cost you max 6000 with good wastegate bov's etc....

[YILDI2]

and also be prepared if auto it will shit its self soon !

[richardpalinkas]

with the proflow kits, i have called them ages ago, and no their kit is not $5000, it is missing so many parts such as dump pipes, aftermarket ecu and tuning etc. i asked the guy what the drive in drive out cost is, and he said around the 10k mark for parts, probably around the 12k fully installed

[NAVZCALAIS]

The proflow kits are advertised for 6 but thats not with installion, or other ancillaries. Although i will admit i was reasonably surprised on the power figures the proflow ute put out Pro Flow Fabrications : Projects. All up i reckon anywhere from 8 - 10 k for the lot including all the extra's you'll need and thats doing most of it yourself. If you do the right things with a turbo its far more beneficial and more powerful imo than a supercharger will be

[wraith]

Not exactly, remember the skylines run a straight 6. And the R33 comes with an okay stock turbo, that said you could buy a supercharger for less. Or even a turbo kit for less then it would cost to get all the custom stuff made up.

Yeah and the turbine wheels have a tendency to disintegrate above 14psi not to mention the R33 may have a 6 cylinder but it is a whopping 2.5 litres.

[one_and_only2004]

Yeah and the turbine wheels have a tendency to disintegrate above 14psi not to mention the R33 may have a 6 cylinder but it is a whopping 2.5 litres.

My thoughts exactly.

[kiwicon]

just get a T70 and rear mount that sucker, Tail waste gate just before the turbo dumping straight out the back, CAI piping you could do cheap, few bends and straights, silicon joiners would cost more than the piping would, poddy mounted 1/2 way back up the car. Will need a scavenger pump for the oil return as the turbo will sit lower than the return. will have to tap and drill the block for the feed, plumb that into your oil fuller cap for the return. couple of check valves to stop oil draining into the turbo when the car is off. BOV just before the throttle body - tee that into your brake booster for vacuume, if your turbo is water cooled as well run that to/from your heater hoses. chuck a 1/4 bar spring in your wastegate (yellow one) and off you go. whats that - 3k max.

Im in the oponion an intercooler on this kind of setup would not be overly nessessary as the length that the air travels from the turbo to the TB should be enough to keep temps down. for wank factor, mount one - I probably will be haha, or water to air IC if your to worried but want to keep thenghs down. You would have to heat wrap your exhaust and header to keep the heat to the turbo.

From there look at tuning - and if you are only running the yellow tial wastegate spring then you shouldnt have to worry about fuelling just yet.

[kiwicon]

If you do the right things with a turbo its far more beneficial and more powerful imo than a supercharger will be

my thoughts exactly, with a SC you are loosing power to make power

[one_and_only2004]

3k? You're looking at $2000 for a low end decent turbo.
$300 for a Tial wastegate + flange.
$300 for a decent scavenging pump
$100's for all the various oil lines and fittings - more so as you're looking at long lines to the rear of the car.
Probably $500 for your piping
$1000 for tuning
$1000 for a bigger exhaust (unless you plan to choke the crap out of the motor)
$600 for injectors ( unless you're not planning on running any decent level of boost)

This is all assuming you can do everything yourself, otherwise I don't see it being done properly for 3k.

[VT-565]

Yeah and the turbine wheels have a tendency to disintegrate above 14psi not to mention the R33 may have a 6 cylinder but it is a whopping 2.5 litres.

To be even more exact, the exhaust wheels are friction welded to the shaft, this join breaks when the assembly is loaded up.
Same result though lol

[nemesis_adrasteia]

my thoughts exactly, with a SC you are loosing power to make power

so turbo is free power then? righto mate.

[one_and_only2004]

so turbo is free power then? righto mate.

Well Supercharging has a parasitic loss, using power from the motor to make more power, whereas turbocharging is using spent exhaust gases to make power, so yeah, turbocharging is very close to free power - minus the cost of setting it up obviously.

[nemesis_adrasteia]

Well Supercharging has a parasitic loss, using power from the motor to make more power, whereas turbocharging is using spent exhaust gases to make power, so yeah, turbocharging is very close to free power - minus the cost of setting it up obviously.

your still having to create pressure in the exhaust manifold to drive the turbocharger therefore causing load on the engine. a turbo charger is NOT free power.

[one_and_only2004]

Well if you want to get fricken pedantic, sure. I was just explaining where the fella is coming from. A turbo is still a lot more efficient than a supercharger.

[TI3VOM]

your still having to create pressure in the exhaust manifold to drive the turbocharger therefore causing load on the engine. a turbo charger is NOT free power.

The pressure is going to be there from the exhaust manifold no matter what (it has an explosion forcing the gasses out), where as the supercharger robs the engine of power to make power.

[kiwicon]

3k? You're looking at $2000 for a low end decent turbo.
$300 for a Tial wastegate + flange.
$300 for a decent scavenging pump
$100's for all the various oil lines and fittings - more so as you're looking at long lines to the rear of the car.
Probably $500 for your piping
$1000 for tuning
$1000 for a bigger exhaust (unless you plan to choke the crap out of the motor)
$600 for injectors ( unless you're not planning on running any decent level of boost)

This is all assuming you can do everything yourself, otherwise I don't see it being done properly for 3k.

did you read my entire post or just the first line... I didnt add the tuning and fueling sides of things into the $3K - and you wont have to until you up the boost level past the minimum 3.5psi the yellow springs allow....

Im getting the gear ready at the moment to do mine..
Turbo - free - but decent 2nd hand one with no play lets say 1K
Wast-you-gate - Tial, buying a 32mm one this arvo - $300
Scavenging pump - getting a decent one - $300
Fittings - prob $200 with check Valves
All piping in stainless incl piping for exhaust as well - 2 boxes of heinekens so $50 (already got it)
VT Headers cost me $100
boost controller, just use a Subaru 3port 2 wire one - 2nd hand prob $20 max

Installation free. lets add that up ay... woah $970.00

Ive also got a LEMG3 - What does it do? — Link Engine Management Systems - plug-in & wire-in aftermarket ECU's

and ill use my ADJ FPR to up the fuel..

and go from there

[wraith]

There's doing it and then there's doing it properly. Guess which way your going.

[monkeys437]

Well if you want to get fricken pedantic, sure. I was just explaining where the fella is coming from. A turbo is still a lot more efficient than a supercharger.

Its not really pedantic, turbocharging increases the pumping losses of an engine which lowers the brake power.

[one_and_only2004]

Why would you even bother if you're only going to run less than 4 psi?
You'd make more pressure with a hair dryer.