Turbo "Just around the corner"

[daggett]

Just found this info...

"We have neglected the budget performance buyer with the [previous model] S," a Holden insider revealed to CarPoint. "Not everyone wants a V8."

Expect a more aggressive looking V6 sports model to fill the gap where the current model 'S' sits below the SV8. SV6 anybody? Word is a turbocharged six-cylinder version is also under consideration, which would be the spiritual successor to the VL Commodore Turbo. Holden tells us the engine can be turbocharged to deliver up to 276kW without much fuss, but this engine is unlikely before next generation VE in 2006.

Should be interesting, If only my Supercharged 6 was mmmm 276Kw mmmmm

[Smitty]

check out my post....at-
http://forums.justcommodores.com/sho...?t=3620&page=2

the turbo version has been confirmed by Holdens.....

[VTSSDUDE]

That's going to shut the 240kw Fords boys up.

Cheers,
Jim

[Astranomical]

Uh huh. God i'd love to see a 3.8L HFV6 with a turbo on it. Now that would REALLY shove it up Fords rear! All of a sudden their precious XR6t wouldn't look so fantastic, lmao.

[Gobbles]

Uh huh. God i'd love to see a 3.8L HFV6 with a turbo on it. Now that would REALLY shove it up Fords rear! All of a sudden their precious XR6t wouldn't look so fantastic, lmao.

Cant wait to start hearing about the progress they are making on the turbo model....and also goVY when did the xr6turtle look so fantastic?

[Bax]

Cant wait to start hearing about the progress they are making on the turbo model....and also goVY when did the xr6turtle look so fantastic?

When - without doing anything too crazy they started getting 300-400rwkw

[OSL-060]

I think the Turbo HF6 will be a damn interesting motor, the only downsides I see is servicing costs being a V configuration, having restricted access (ever seen a Z32 engine bay?) not much room. Hopefully Holden get it right, although Alloytec's other thread raises issues that question the design. I'd also like to see how much balance or lack thereof they have when making big power. Other manufacturers have struggled with this in the past. It isn't overly new technology either apart from the adding of alloy components into the mix. Nissan had Quad Cam TT V6's in the late 80's.They then went on to stick with the straight RB series, which went on to become the most modified engine series in the world.

On the whole Holden Vs Ford turbo debate, the 240kw factory output is less than a benchmark, Ford could tweak that power to 400kw if the market demanded it. Just look at the APS enhanced XR6T of C&V Performance, currently the fastest XR6T in Australia with a 1/4 of 10.9secs @ 124.74 mph (temperature on the day was a massive 30+c which doesnt suit anything with forced induction)

For those interested heres the APS >link<

At that time it was making 385kws at the wheels (which is around 500kw @ the flywheel and more power than the current Dodge Viper), totally standard bottom end and more importantly a factory standard turbo. It's no magic set-up and totally street legal, if you owned an XR6T and had the money a Phase III APS modification would have you making the same if not more power.

I'm still excited about the turbo HF6, but it's got massive boots to fill. I also find it interesting less than 1% of those looking forward to a turbo 6 have owned or do own a VL Turbo. They're around the same cost as a VS V6, or do we just like the concept when compared to Ford?.....

Jake.

[The1985divo]

hmmm sounds great , getting turbo means holden will get more crap about copying ford :P

[DJ Majah]

hmmm sounds great , getting turbo means holden will get more crap about copying ford :P

Who coiped the idea from Subaru, who copied from Nissan who copied from Toyota who copied from...International? The turbo is the mainstay of Japanese speed, but it originally came from Europe. Go figure.

The turbo has been a long time in making it's comeback to the Commodores, and 'I'm excited!'. Hopefully they will have a turbo badge on them though, so I don't even try to race one. Then again, an Ecotec vs. any HF6??

[Astranomical]

Cant wait to start hearing about the progress they are making on the turbo model....and also goVY when did the xr6turtle look so fantastic?

I say that because all the Flawed fans seem to think that the xr6t is the next best thing since white sliced bread.

[CAFA_TF]

i recon you can get 500 fw kw out of anything if you have the money.....

its weather you started with a reliable engine or not
all holden need to work on is ther epower steering pump and aircon........
ford needs to work on the oval governer

[OSL-060]

I say that because all the Flawed fans seem to think that the xr6t is the next best thing since white sliced bread.

Fortunately the XR6T's success isn't only the opinion of Bogan Ford fans, it's the opinion of leading workshops who aren't Manufacturer disabled, Motoring Journalists and most importantly motoring enthusisists across the country.

While the manufacturer rivalary will always dominate motorsport, and fans will always swing either way. The V8 Super Cars series no longer reflects production cars in Australia and just like the mullet, deadly serious favouritism is going out of fashion fast.

I love Commodores. I'd love to see the Alloytec boosted and become another Aussie Cult car don't get me wrong but it doesn't mean I discount the facts

i recon you can get 500 fw kw out of anything if you have the money.....

its weather you started with a reliable engine or not
all holden need to work on is ther epower steering pump and aircon........
ford needs to work on the oval governer

I'd say a factory bottom end capable of supporting 500+kw is pretty reliable. Not to mention how many times the APS mule would have been on and off the dyno revving it's head off . This wasn't with spending any more money than most VT owners would spend on a bodykit and exhaust.

Anyway back to the Alloytec

[CAFA_TF]

i realize where talking about 6s and all, sure he might have a stock end stock xr6 turbo bottom end which im pritty sure isnt a ford 6 bottom end


but then again i have a mate with a boss 260 ford use and has done 20000 kays and blowen his dif into 4 parts.........im interested ,has this car his 21000
yet


hell is this a commodore site anywho
al this is ment with respect just putting in my 5 cents

[Bax]

It may be a commodore site, but theres nothing wrong with opening your eyes once and then I guess. Each car has its pro's and con's.. You hear what you want when you follow a certain Make of car.

[CAFA_TF]

*gets put back into place*
thanks

[OSL-060]

Don't worry the same questions are popping up on all Holden/Ford discussion forums, I've just read 8 pages of arguement and speculation at LS1.

Bottom line is we won't know until it's released and get first hand experience by driving one and waiting to see what workshops do with them. Some workshops have already preordered HF6's for R&D. Even after the release everyone will stilll have conflicting opinions.... but it makes life and discussion more interesting.

[Alloytec]

i hope they are not expecting a twin turbo.... no room on the drivers side at all..lol

[jetspin_vn]

Its unfortunante but Jake is right. We can deny it all we like but Ford have really hit a niche with their turbo 6. It was always a bold move but sure enough the market was there, and it remains the only large family saloon with a big engine and a hairdryer.

If Holden plan to turbo the HFV6 and make it a success - and shut the competition up, then its going to need to be a bolder move still. I believe the reason they are waiting for the VE before sticking a blown HFV6 of any sort out is that they know damn well it would be a marketing disaster, the V6 needing more than 250kW to make a dent whilst the current VZ Gen 3 V8 is only putting out that much!! Sure, it may rise to 255kW in the series two, but thats bugger all of a change.

My uncle made me swear when I was 13 that i'd never own a Ford, and I shall stay true to that forever. I for one am looking to the VE as the next major resurgence of the lions domonation, not the VZ. By that stage, the HFV6 should be sweet and include the much rumored blown version, and the introduction of the Gen 4 V8 should have Holden lovers everywhere grunting!!

Its not that I don't like the VZ, its just I don't get worked up about V6's!!

Mike

[Alloytec]

Fair enough, But you have to give credit where credit is due..

As you said ford is defientally on a winner with the BA XR's both the turbo 6's and the v8's.

Even the new Gen wont have anything on the BA XR8 Quad Cam V8.

The new v8 is only rated @ 400hp and 546nm or torque..

[CAFA_TF]

Theres so much love in this room