Fog/Driving Lamps

[Marzz]

Hi All,

I have just aquired a VZ Exec Wagon and from all my Googling I've ascertained that I can't put (genuine GM) fog/drving lamps into my bumper , correct me if I'm wrong though!!

I don't want to change the bumper just to have the fog/driving lamps.
Nudge bar would be acceptable, but personally they don't look good!
Butchering the current inserts is an option, but how do I mount the lamps?

So, what options are avialable?

TIA,

Marz.

[Marzz]

Found a vy thread, very interesting!!!

[markovr]

I have a vz too and it looks like the blanking inserts can be easily removed....so they dont make fog lights to go in there?....seems it would be easy to do if gmh designed them...a lot easier than doing it to my vr. Got a link to the vy thread?

[VTSS350]

I have a VZ S one tonner. I had the black blanking inserts too. I pull them out and put in a set of fog lights that I got. The kit came with all wiring a new switch for the inside of the car and the lights.

I might have this forsale soon as I am about to fit a VY clubsport front bar and wont have any need for the spotlights.

[Marzz]

Hey markovr,
yer they're just clipped in. Easy to remove so why did GMH even bother putting them in??!!!?? Anyway here's the llink http://users.tpg.com.au/cobra30/VYCrewman.htm can't remember the name of the forum member.

Marz.

I have a vz too and it looks like the blanking inserts can be easily removed....so they dont make fog lights to go in there?....seems it would be easy to do if gmh designed them...a lot easier than doing it to my vr. Got a link to the vy thread?

[markovr]

I have a VZ S one tonner. I had the black blanking inserts too. I pull them out and put in a set of fog lights that I got. The kit came with all wiring a new switch for the inside of the car and the lights.

I might have this forsale soon as I am about to fit a VY clubsport front bar and wont have any need for the spotlights.

Was the kit a gmh item? If it is do you have a part number? Im in the market for the set you have if they are factory.

[minux]

Can i ask why you want them anyway? If you use them at any time except in fog it can give you a defect and a fine in most states.

[Marzz]

They're not really fog lamps are they, more like driving lights as they light up more of the road to the side of the car (well my old Magna and the wifes Mazda 3 do!). In the old days fog lamps were yellow! And they really cut through the fog...

Out here in the back blocks of Lilydale, not all the streets a lit and a lot of the back roads (if not all) are dirt. Basically we're in the bush! Ever seen what a wombat can do to your undersides? Anything that'll light the side of the road is a bonus, gives you a bit more reaction time to stop or swerve.

And, it gets bloody foggy out here too! Dunno about a defect/fine though!

Can i ask why you want them anyway? If you use them at any time except in fog it can give you a defect and a fine in most states.

[VZ-Rob]

Hell! the Victorian bluey's drive around with them on in the day!

I have mine on in the mornings and evenings before sundown

never had a problem

[Shounak]

Have you ever seen an SS driver with their fog lights off?

[Troy711]

Have you ever seen an SS driver with their fog lights off?

or an XR6/8 driver

[Reaper]

They're not really fog lamps are they, more like driving lights as they light up more of the road to the side of the car (well my old Magna and the wifes Mazda 3 do!). In the old days fog lamps were yellow! And they really cut through the fog...

Out here in the back blocks of Lilydale, not all the streets a lit and a lot of the back roads (if not all) are dirt. Basically we're in the bush! Ever seen what a wombat can do to your undersides? Anything that'll light the side of the road is a bonus, gives you a bit more reaction time to stop or swerve.

The stock "SS" style VX & VY fog/driving lights are completely useless for lighting up anything but the gutter 1 meter in front of the car.

If you are expecting anything more you are kidding yourself.

Reaper

[Marzz]

Thanks for that Reaper,
Can anyone else confirm this? I may have to look at other lighting if thats the case.

The stock "SS" style VX & VY fog/driving lights are completely useless for lighting up anything but the gutter 1 meter in front of the car.

If you are expecting anything more you are kidding yourself.

Reaper

[malscar]

Marzz, why do you want them? That will give us a better idea as to what would be the alternative.

I have them and only use them when I am using high beam. They do provide more light on the sides than 1 metre, but fog lights are not designed for distance, rather width. The so-called foglights that have come into fashion since the WRX are incorrectly wired. Fog lights should only be able to be used when your parking lights are on. Not low beam. Just like driving lights should only be able to be used when high beam is on.

[davey g-force]

Have you ever seen an SS driver with their fog lights off?

LOL! That's funny Shounak! True, and I'm a culprit too (only at dawn and dusk though). Oh well, we've got 'em, may as well use 'em...

The stock "SS" style VX & VY fog/driving lights are completely useless for lighting up anything but the gutter 1 meter in front of the car.

I disagree! Mine light up almost as well as my headlights, but just lower.

Marzz, as for lighting up more of the side of the road, I'm not sure about that. Side lighting seems about the same as the normal headlights to me...

[Marzz]

Absolutely agree! And as I said in an earlier post, the lights that are in use on current vehicles aren't fog lights, more like driving lights.

I really want to see more of the sides of the road! More so to pre-empt any wildlife jumping out infront of me, thats all.....

Marzz, why do you want them? That will give us a better idea as to what would be the alternative.

I have them and only use them when I am using high beam. They do provide more light on the sides than 1 metre, but fog lights are not designed for distance, rather width. The so-called foglights that have come into fashion since the WRX are incorrectly wired. Fog lights should only be able to be used when your parking lights are on. Not low beam. Just like driving lights should only be able to be used when high beam is on.

[ncielens]

For those who are worried about the legality of fog/driving lights consider this.

Many overseas cars now come standard with "daytime" driving lights, new laws are making them a requirement. This law is being considered here in Australia, especially if these cars are going to be sold here.

With the lower position of the lights they don't cause as much of the eye glare that headlights do (unless you've put 1 million watt HID globes in )

How many times @ an accident have you heard "I didn't see you/them coming". As an emergency service worker I here this nearly every day. Those of us with dark cars this is especially an issue. Would make for an interesting discussion in court.

BTW I don't drive around with mine on, but that's not because I'm worried about the law.

[Troy711]

How many times @ an accident have you heard "I didn't see you/them coming". As an emergency service worker I here this nearly every day. Those of us with dark cars this is especially an issue.

thats why people try and run me off the road. i just thought it was cos everyone hated me

[ncielens]

thats why people try and run me off the road. i just thought it was cos everyone hated me

Also helps if you drive on the right side of the road

[commisme]

Gday comm lovers,im a newbie to this so here goes.I have an Black VZ exec.I also would like to get some foggys-actually driving lights as i like to use them in morning and arvos and the fogs in the sv6 and ss makes the vz look that much more meaner,any one know where i can get some lights for my vz down here in a.c.t?Thanx peeps.

[Marzz]

Ok, did a bit of surfing over the last week and found something that may be and alternative. There is a thread on the LS1 forums about HID lighting, this looks promising as all that have made the switch to HID have been very impressed.

Also, another interesting thing I noticed today while I was barrowing 6 metres of mulch from the driveway to the backyard.... The wife has a 2005 Mazda 3, it has driving lights!!!! I reckon they'd almost slot into the VZ bumper with a little modification. Will do some tinkering tomorrow and see what I find....

[markovr]

At closer examination the fog lights in a up spec vz dimensions are larger width wise.The length is about the same but the area from top of insert to bottom of bar is different between a exect and a car with foggies.

[Taiyo]

Hmm I hate to say the word Volkswagen here... but unfortunately it just popped out.

My mum has a Golf... and their driving lights are pretty much the same as the VZ's shape and size... i've had a look and would suggest it's worth a measure up. You can get ultra bright LED ones for the Golf on ebay and they're pretty cheap... Just thought it might be worth a look into?

Hope that helps a bit?

[Marzz]

Hmm I hate to say the word Volkswagen here... but unfortunately it just popped out.

My mum has a Golf... and their driving lights are pretty much the same as the VZ's shape and size... i've had a look and would suggest it's worth a measure up. You can get ultra bright LED ones for the Golf on ebay and they're pretty cheap... Just thought it might be worth a look into?

Hope that helps a bit?

Cool, what year/model Golf is it?

[Taiyo]

It's 2001 GL

Off the top of my head. The front all look pretty much the same from that year

Here's a photo probably the most practical photo i can find on google without going outside and taking one... Except for the fact that it's pitch black at the moment ... haha.

I'll see what else i can come up with...