HID XENON Conversion

[tja_bot]

Has anyone done HID XENON Conversion on their commodore? I have VZ SS headlights and am thinking of doing a conversion.

I don't know much of whats involved in doing a conversion. Any advice would be welcome

thanks Troy

[BANKS]

im interested in doing this aswell ay. from what ive researched the number for eg. 5000k is the temperature the light burns at? which determines the colour? 8000k will be more blue then a 5000k which is whiter.

Cant tell if the ones on egay are any good...probably not... but we can all just pretend

[1991_Vn2nV]

im interested in doing this aswell ay. from what ive researched the number for eg. 5000k is the temperature the light burns at? which determines the colour? 8000k will be more blue then a 5000k which is whiter.

Cant tell if the ones on egay are any good...probably not... but we can all just pretend

Higher the K the higher the colour temperature. It starts off Yellow and works up to White, Blue, Purple, Violet etc. with variations between the colours. 4000k (white) up to like 10 or 12000k on Ebay.

The higher the K though, the LOWER the lumens (brightness). So the higher in k you go the less bright the light.

Also, there are only 2 german made kits (Phillips and another) and they are the ONLY brands used by ANY OEM car manufacturer.

Ebay brands, well non german brands, have been shown to only last an average of 176 hours for the globe, where as the german brands last around 2500-2700 hours. There is a BIG difference in quality.

ALL cars that have STOCK HID lights run I think 4000K bulbs. Nothing else. I would never go over 6000k.

[davey g-force]

Don't the Calais / Clubbies etc have the HID lights? Has anyone looked into modifying Calais / Clubby lights and adapting them to SV6 / SS?

[tja_bot]

Thanks for the replys. This is where I was thinking of getting a kit from, what do you think of it??
GadgetMaster

[1991_Vn2nV]

Personally I would only buy German made HID's, such as Philips. There is a reason that every car manufacturer in the world that uses HID's only use the two german brands, including asian car manufacturers.

[| evaN |]

The two brands 1991_Vn2nV is talking about is Philips and Osram-Sylvania and the highest kelvin rating they produce is 5400k and 5800k. All stock cars that come with HIDs comes with 4100k so personally i wouldn't get any other then that. Anything higher and its more colour then light

intellexual net · m k i v is a good site to learn about HID's

[| evaN |]

The two brands 1991_Vn2nV is talking about is Philips and Osram-Sylvania and the highest kelvin rating they produce is 5400k and 5800k. All stock cars that come with HIDs comes with 4100k so personally i wouldn't get any other then that. Anything higher and its more colour then light

intellexual net · m k i v is a good site to learn about HID's

[BANKS]

The higher the K though, the LOWER the lumens (brightness). So the higher in k you go the less bright the light.

So basically the 12000K ones are stupid and should never have been made? whats the point of going that high if you cant see anything?

arnt the calis a basic XENON version? or is xenon the same as HID?

so the honda accord for example... the light that produces is full white, you can tell its not your normal commodore or ford when you see it in the mirror, but at certain angles it looks blue, whats that?

[1991_Vn2nV]

If you're referring to something like the Honda Odyssey that has blue lights in the headlights as well (LED's I think).

But all OEM kits are 4100k as said and are ~3200 lumens.


The 12000k lights are there to catch the Ebay fools that don't actually know anything about HID's and just look for the highest number possible. They will still be a tad brighter than normal halogens, around 2000lumens (compared to 3200 for 4000k).

[| evaN |]

Its the cutoff line of the projectors that creates the color blue and purple on the higher class cars. Since most people wanted that colour, cheapo ebay kits with 12000k were created. Some kits in america even have 30000k

[| evaN |]

Check out the pic. Its a picture of the beam pattern of a lexus projector. The colour you see on Bmws and mercs are from the cutoff line and you can see it in this pic. White everywhere except at the top.

[BANKS]

thats it ^^^^ so that lexus would most likely be running philips 4100k HID? back to the question, can this system be placed into the vz ss style headlight?

[tja_bot]

I've been doing alot of research on the net and have found that 4100k is the way to go. Some sites say "don't get HID unless you have HID optics". I think the vz ss headlights have that on the low beam, because the globe is behind that thing that looks like a glass ball (in other words you cant see the globe).

[| evaN |]

thats it ^^^^ so that lexus would most likely be running philips 4100k HID? back to the question, can this system be placed into the vz ss style headlight?

If you've got money then anythings possible. But the only way you'll get that cutoff line is by retroffiting. The idea is to buy a pair of HID projectors, remove the projectors in the stock headlight, and put the hid projectors in.
You might be lucky and achieve the blue cutoff line with the standard vz headlights but the cutoff line shape will be different and you'll get hot spots.
it'll be \_\__ instead of the 2 'z' shape which would mean you'll be blinding drivers.

If you dont really care about hot spots and blinding on coming drivers, then buy a 4100k hid kit and install it. It'll light up the road more but don't be surprised if you get flashed.

[| evaN |]

I've been doing alot of research on the net and have found that 4100k is the way to go. Some sites say "don't get HID unless you have HID optics". I think the vz ss headlights have that on the low beam, because the globe is behind that thing that looks like a glass ball (in other words you cant see the globe).

Just because a headlight has projectors, doesn't mean it has HID optics.
check out Spitfire's car and he's projector beam.
VT Calais. GTO KIT :)
and check out the picture i've attached and compare the different beam pattern.
One is wider
One has no hot spots
One has a sharper cutoff line
One has a cutoff line that wouldn't blind on coming drivers and
One has a more intense light

[1991_Vn2nV]

Motoquipe etc. can order in a Philips conversion kit, but they are much dearer than the ebay crap.

[BANKS]

have you done hid conversion evan? sounds like you know what your talkin about. basically you'd have to change the whole internals of the headlight to get the same projection as a bmw etc due to it being turned to that particular car?

[| evaN |]

i've done my research, just haven't came up with the dosh yet lol. i want to put 2 bi-xenon projectors in each headlight.
That way i'll have 4 projectors on for low beams and 4 projectors for highbeams all in HID.
The projectors dont cost that much, its the bulbs and ballast that you've got to worry about.
The projectors im looking at getting are from a car in the states. just type in "fx35* projector*" on ebay.com and you should find them.
The stock cutline of the frosted lense projectors aren't the best, thats why they're pretty cheap compared to s2k projectors but with a clear lenses the beam is pretty sharp with a nice blue cutoffline.

[| evaN |]

To get an idea what is required to do a retroffit, check out the links in this thread. The only thing im worried about is melting my headlights and being without headlights until the retroffit is completed. could be a weekend, could be 2 months lol

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[BANKS]

i've done my research, just haven't came up with the dosh yet lol. i want to put 2 bi-xenon projectors in each headlight.
That way i'll have 4 projectors on for low beams and 4 projectors for highbeams all in HID.
The projectors dont cost that much, its the bulbs and ballast that you've got to worry about.
The projectors im looking at getting are from a car in the states. just type in "fx35* projector*" on ebay.com and you should find them.
The stock cutline of the frosted lense projectors aren't the best, thats why they're pretty cheap compared to s2k projectors but with a clear lenses the beam is pretty sharp with a nice blue cutoffline.

What sorta $$$ are we talkin about to do that?

[sv9946]

hey guys

i'm a apprentice mechanic at a car dealership in victoria where roadworthy's are done. we just received a update a while ago on the suitability of a car converted to hid lights to be roadworhtyed. seems you are interested in doing the conversion, i thought i'd get the thingo vicroads sent us and tell you what they're regulations are. sure if your not worried about roadworthy's then go ahead.

HID lighting
high intensity gas discharge lights are now available as aftermarket acessories and they are being fitted to vehicle's that were not fitted with them as original or optional equipment. when fitted to low beam headlights, HID lights require an automatic self levelling system and a high performance headlight cleaning system. the kits seen so far do not contain the headlight cleaner or levelling systems and any low beam installations without these important feature must be rejected for a roadworthy certificate.

so i guess atm if no suitable kits have been found with all these features, its probably something best not to be done. bmw, mercedes benz and the likes put thousands of dollars into developing these headlights to ensure other people won't be dazzled by them etc etc and i guess we just can't replicate that in our cars without the same, or simular amount spent if you get my picture

anyway if this has helped, please click the scales

[BANKS]

HID lighting
high intensity gas discharge lights are now available as aftermarket acessories and they are being fitted to vehicle's that were not fitted with them as original or optional equipment. when fitted to low beam headlights, HID lights require an automatic self levelling system and a high performance headlight cleaning system. the kits seen so far do not contain the headlight cleaner or levelling systems and any low beam installations without these important feature must be rejected for a roadworthy certificate.

So calis/hsv headlights have a self leveling and cleaning sytem?

so i guess atm if no suitable kits have been found with all these features, its probably something best not to be done. bmw, mercedes benz and the likes put thousands of dollars into developing these headlights to ensure other people won't be dazzled by them etc etc and i guess we just can't replicate that in our cars without the same, or simular amount spent if you get my picture

So if push comes to shove insurance wise, a car is uninsured when fitted with these kits as there not road worthy. You mention VICroads who we all know lead the way in rule making. up here in qld i'd say there would be alot of grey areas in relation to this topic

[sv9946]

i guess if calais's and hsv's have the HID lights then they would have the cleaning system and levelling system. also at a guess this would allow you to place a calais/hsv headlight assembly into a standard model car i.e executive provided it was the same model/body shape/year or whatever.

yeah a car would be unisured, because it is unroadworthy and therefore should not be one the road to cause, or be in a accident. you may be lucky enough that your insurance company won't notice it. but that said you run the risk. its the same as driving with bald tyres, its unroadworthy and if spotted your insurance coverage will be void.

[BANKS]

if they looked stock from the outside they wouldnt even know. It would have to be the cause of the accident then thats when they'd give a ****. It would be real low of em to viod it cus of that though if they wernt the cause etc.

just found these

eBay Motors: 03-05 06 INFINITI FX35 FX45 HALO PROJECTOR FOG LIGHTS (item 270188985160 end time Nov-26-07 09:29:09 PST)

same mob who do the ones that evans is lookin at. i reckon these would look GREAT in my ute lol