Commin Back to real cars (vz sv6)

[parkerst]

Let me start with this: I'm only a young fella.

For my l's and early p's, I bought a ****ty vs and kept it going for a while...eventually the tranny fell apart (i bought the thing for like $1500) and moved to a heavily modified 1990 celica. The thing is a ****ing shopping cart with an engine with a turning circle of a rr phantom so lets not go there.

Hit my p2's a few months ago and came into some good fortune, so here's how it is; I want a 190kw vz SV6..a real car, not a buzzbox

I've done a bit of research but I can't, for the life of me, find out how the heck you tell the difference between a 175kw alloytec and a 190kw alloytec. Any advice? I don't want to go out paying 190 prices for 175 and get very disappointed. I know that in 06 there were some regulation changes which means the alloytec vz had to be detuned to 172kw...


Next; is it possible to make 220 kw without forced induction and engine mods on the alloytec190? Ultimately, I want to get 320kw out of it (maybe more) but thats for a few years time when I have more money and no P plates. So any products that you guys could recommend which would put me on the way and give me that 220 that i'm after would be helpful.

[f1tzy]

Only the SV6, calais and above have the 190 engine so as long as you get an sv6 you will have the 190 motor. 220fwkw is pretty easy with extractors, exhaust, intake and a tune but getting 320 will need much more cash and fi. Would be much easier and cheaper to get your 320kw from an 8

[parkerst]

for the 320, I know what you mean, it was just my bad wording. I'll be definitely going FI after p plates, but for now, its n/a and and no internals.

Everything I've read was talking about 175kw, or was that just the commodore? (thus the sv6 being 190kw)..also, am i correct in assuming thats 190 @ the fly wheel?

[EvoVIIIJDM]

190 fly kilowatts. I had a manual sv6 for about 2 years, good car but as for getting decent power out of it, not much hope unless you Force it.

[parkerst]

am i going to destroy my bank chasing 320 in a sv6? either way, sv6 for now :P

ok next question; any huge issues i should be looking out for? I haven't heard anything too bad thus far other than a little paint going awry.

[EvoVIIIJDM]

am i going to destroy my bank chasing 320 in a sv6 or would it just be cheaper to sell it and go for an 8?

a TT setup may get you there but it is gonna cost you, dearly.

[BullittSV6]

I think the Statesman and Caprice V6 models also came with the 190. The alloytec 175 came with variable vale timing on the inlet valves, whereas the 190 had it on both the inlet and exhaust valves.

In 06 the engines had to comply with Euro emissions standards. the 175 was detuned to 172 kw and the 190 kept its power but lost some torque.

f1tzy has a point about a v8 but I am guessing you can't get one due to being on ur p's. My suggestion is aim for 220kw in the 6 but save your time and money, enjoy driving your VZ SV6 and wait till you can get an awesome v8. Good things come to those who wait my friend. I've wanted a car since I was 16 and could only buy one now when I am 22 but it turned out to be a VZ SV6. The point is, with 220kw you will just about blow away just about any NA 6 without breaking the budget.

[BullittSV6]

am i going to destroy my bank chasing 320 in a sv6? either way, sv6 for now :P

ok next question; any huge issues i should be looking out for? I haven't heard anything too bad thus far other than a little paint going awry.

I've got an issue with paint flaking on my door handles, one of the doors not being flush with the rear quarter panel and the glove box sitting awkwardly but I am getting those fixed under warranty.

Apart from that it was pretty good.

[parkerst]

Good advice, ta

Sounds like i'll stick to 220kw sv6 then.

Yeah I'm in the same boat as you, 20 years old and looking for some balls in my wheels instead of the ping ping sound of the celica.

What sort of prices should I be looking at? Redbook quotes like 19-21,000 for a sv6 that has done 50-100,000 kms, but that seems a bit cheap.. I've budgeted for 23,000 (with extra for rego etc) and 5k for mods...i figure i'll need a bit more for the 220 though

[BullittSV6]

Good advice, ta

Sounds like i'll stick to 220kw sv6 then.

Yeah I'm in the same boat as you, 20 years old and looking for some balls in my wheels instead of the ping ping sound of the celica.

What sort of prices should I be looking at? Redbook quotes like 19-21,000 for a sv6 that has done 50-100,000 kms, but that seems a bit cheap.. I've budgeted for 23,000 (with extra for rego etc) and 5k for mods...i figure i'll need a bit more for the 220 though

ok I bought mine from a Holden dealer Sepetember 2005 model so it still has warranty, 54000kms, completely stock 5 spd semi-auto, fully serviced, $22,200. Be sure to bargain because there is so many in the yards.

I bought a blue one but a mitsubishi dealer wanted to charge me $23000 for an SV6 just because it was black.

[parkerst]

oh sounds good

how much do you pay for insurance?

[BullittSV6]

oh sounds good

how much do you pay for insurance?

Just over $830. I am 22 but I had a prang last year driving someone elses car so that put the premiums up. Excess of $650 and its $250 when I turn 25

[Torquative]

mate, once you drive an SV6 tho you'll learn it has enough power if you drive it properly.

Many people just go foot to the floor and say "fail - doesnt perform" and their right, compared to ecotec it doesnt. But what the ecotec lacked was high end power which is when the Alloytec is good, so if your cruising through some windy roads and give it stick it will take off from under you rather then scream its head off.

If you want it to "perform" stop start then dont get your hopes up, but once it gets going you'll love it

[f1tzy]

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...46-fitted.html

Check that thread out. Afaik it set him back around 4 - 5g's to get to that power level

[BullittSV6]

mate, once you drive an SV6 tho you'll learn it has enough power if you drive it properly.

Many people just go foot to the floor and say "fail - doesnt perform" and their right, compared to ecotec it doesnt. But what the ecotec lacked was high end power which is when the Alloytec is good, so if your cruising through some windy roads and give it stick it will take off from under you rather then scream its head off.

If you want it to "perform" stop start then dont get your hopes up, but once it gets going you'll love it

Exactly what Torquative said mate. Its awesome on highway, flowing traffic and winding roads

[parkerst]

good because that's how I drive. I don't just stomp it and expect the performance of a screaming 4cyl turbo at 10,000rpm at 100km/h, I like to cruise with room to shuffle in.

I drive to brisbane twice a year for a week and I go camping 4 times a year for 2-3 days...Imagine moving all the required **** for those things in a celica...not to mention the girlfriend and her crap....

[BullittSV6]

SV6 is a great tourer. I recently did a trip in it to see my g/f who lives in the riverland, the other side of the state from where I live now which takes about 6 hours and its just faultless.

On the main highway to Adelaide it doesn't miss a beat either. Stable, quiet, comfy and brutal when you need it.

[poweredbycng]

Gawd some people have super-high expectations. The Alloytec 190 engine has more than enough power and torque for the car that it needs to move. The feeling of the car accelerating is simply amazing. It's not the "slug" that everyone says it is!

Regards,
Dave

[Kung-Foo-Kamel]

If you want good power to weight and best bang for your buck get a Manual not a Auto and a Ute not a sedan, there is no weight in the back so there good for skids mine spins in 3rd gear on the run at about 80 to 90 kph, soon as it hits 3k in the wet watch out as it will drift and wheel spin 1st 2nd 3rd and if your not carful 4th, the Auto couldnt pull the skin of a cold cup of coffee

[BullittSV6]

If you want good power to weight and best bang for your buck get a Manual not a Auto and a Ute not a sedan, there is no weight in the back so there good for skids mine spins in 3rd gear on the run at about 80 to 90 kph, soon as it hits 3k in the wet watch out as it will drift and wheel spin 1st 2nd 3rd and if your not carful 4th, the Auto couldnt pull the skin of a cold cup of coffee

When I was looking for my SV6 there was only 1 manual in the whole of Adelaide advertised online. There was about 25 auto's though. So finding a manual might be an issue. And yes if I had the choice I would have got a manual too.

[EvoVIIIJDM]

SV6 is a great tourer. I recently did a trip in
On the main highway to Adelaide it doesn't miss a beat either. Stable, quiet, comfy and brutal when you need it.

Granted its a solid cruiser but brutal? I dont think so. Well, my 6 spd manual SV6 was definately not brutal- full exhaust, tune and intake.

[parkerst]

If you want good power to weight and best bang for your buck get a Manual not a Auto and a Ute not a sedan, there is no weight in the back so there good for skids mine spins in 3rd gear on the run at about 80 to 90 kph, soon as it hits 3k in the wet watch out as it will drift and wheel spin 1st 2nd 3rd and if your not carful 4th, the Auto couldnt pull the skin of a cold cup of coffee

Thats my intention. I loathe auto.

Granted its a solid cruiser but brutal? I dont think so. Well, my 6 spd manual SV6 was definately not brutal- full exhaust, tune and intake.

but are you comparing that to your ls1 clubby? 190kw is probably at the top end of legal p-plate cars (except for really wound up cars like the trd aurion)...

[EvoVIIIJDM]

Thats my intention. I loathe auto.



but are you comparing that to your ls1 clubby? 190kw is probably at the top end of legal p-plate cars (except for really wound up cars like the trd aurion)...

Not really. In terms of 6 cylinder vehicles, i could not say that the alloytec is brutal, maybe the noises that come from it are brutal, but shorely not the power. I couldnt compare it to a LS1 as it would be an unfair comparison.

In terms of P Platers, Id say you are correct (for holdens anyways) that it would be at the top of your list, as you cant have a FI or supercharged six im assuming. SA doesnt have these laws (yet) so im not clued up on what in a legal vehicle for you to drive.

[parkerst]

P plate laws in nsw state that I can't drive anything supercharged or turbocharged (petrol/gas) or classified as high performance n/a 6cyl, or ANY car with 8 cylinders or greater (petrol/gas). All diesel vehicles are exempt as are a number of small turbo petrol vehicles (1L capacity and under i think). Internal engine modifications are also out of the question.

High performance 6cyl vehicles include;
bmw m3
bmw z4
Honda NSX
Nissan 350z
All Porsches from 1994 onwards
Merc. SLC350
etc...

I guess the fastest thing I could possibly buy would be a rx-8, but there is no way I can afford that.

I could apply for exemption but you need a genuine reason, and 'i want a mans car' isn't a valid reason :P

[BullittSV6]

When you are on the highway and you stick your foot down in an overtaking lane to catch a caravan that's a fair way infront, you will have no problems, it has plenty of power for a 20 year old. I've taken my mates in it who own an AU Ford and WH stateman s/c and they said the engines got a lot more poke than theirs so in terms of affordable v6's the 190 was the most powerful at the time and is still very competitve - thats what i meant by brutal , it was a comparison to the other engines.

In terms of a stock inexpensive NA 6 you have the SV6 (good engine and dynamics) aurion (better engine, crap dynamics) and the xv6 (on par with engine and dynamics but higher insurance premiums). The SV6 is the best deal out of these three for a 20 year old who wants a decent V6.

By the way I did a search for used cars in adelaide. 25 vz sv6's - 1 manual. If you can find one, go for it.