How to drive an Alloytec

[blah]

OK, just bought a VZ (upgraded from VT). I had read on a few threads peeps talking about 'learning to drive a VZ' or 'learning to drive an Alloytec'.

What do I need to know? If there is a thread already, can someone plz link me.

Cheers

[fuzzy2308]

i would like to know the same.

[andrewmac]

Well Really all depends on whether you get an auto or manual.
You see with an auto you have 2 pedals, 1 is commonly refered to as an accelerator (makes you go) and the other a brake (makes you stop).
When you have a manual you need to press on a third pedal known as the clutch pedal, you need to release this slowly while using the accelerator to make the car go and push it in when you want to change gears

Now enough of being a smart arse
Basically I think people are refering to the characteristics of the alloytec motor which is basically that it develops its power higher in the rev range than the ecotec did.
So if you want to get power out of them you need to keep your revs up a bit.
No real secret or anything to it, if anyone else knows better please enlighten us cause I may be way off.

[andyman]

i think im responsible for this statement so i better spill i guess.

1. if you want a good launch and acceleration, dont just drop your foot to the floor, the computer will go nah and gradually bring the power through, i find if you hit the throttle about quarter to half throttle, it will pick up and respond much better,

2. if you like the little bit of wheel spin occasionally, dont plant it number like number 1, it wont do it easily off idle, doing it coming out of a little corner or already rolling like 10km/h makes it much easier,

3, if you go into the secondary trip computer function, (holding mode+set turning ignition on) flick through to l's per hour readout, you will find backing off the throttle a little bit will keep you at your speed still, but will save you a fair bit of fuel in the long run, you can see the difference in the read out on the computer,

4, if you want more power get a vcm suite tune, its worth it.

[f1tzy]

like you stole it

[Skooby]

Do you really need a thread on how to tell you to drive a VZ?

Learning to drive comes with trial and error, and experience.

[burnz]

i think they are refering to drive by wire.

[andyman]

i think they are refering to drive by wire.

hit the nail on the head, ETC allows the computer to control the power output by a massive amount, you have to be sneaky with it, or as i said get vcm and remove all torque management abuse mode parameters etc etc

[fuzzy2308]

so no skid or line lockers and circle work? just curious

[f1tzy]

A manual will fix all those problems but you just have to pray the clutch doesnt give up

[andyman]

so no skid or line lockers and circle work? just curious

manual yes, auto yes but more trickey

[Troy711]

^^^ I beg to differ... an auto V6 can light up the rears fairly easy.

[andyman]

^^^ I beg to differ... an auto V6 can light up the rears fairly easy.

i know it lights up real easy, my wagon still spins 18's easy, but will it do a standstill, thats what i thought other person was referring to,

cause the ecu limits rpm when brake is applied

[bludeck]

sure does :P 2k n no more

[fuzzy2308]

i know it lights up real easy, my wagon still spins 18's easy, but will it do a standstill, thats what i thought other person was referring to,

cause the ecu limits rpm when brake is applied

thats what i meant

[andyman]

thats what i meant

in a vz if you cruise along and the engine is doing say a constant 3,000rpm, apply the brake and it will drop the revs to 1500rpm, you can put your foot flat to the floor, it wont rev, take your foot off the brake and the car will launch back up to where the accelerator is at

[Ewok]

Mine can quite happily rev 4-4.5k on brakes no worries (auto) and launches ok, but same issue, hard to do stand stills, can do launches with wheelspin aswel but requires you to be quick on the accelerator and then quick off the brakes at the right revvs too. If you want to get sideways out of a corner, hit the GO pedal about a second or 2 before you normally would with a wire-driven throttle and pray you have LSD coz they do kick out nicely, but requires a short build up of revvs. Basically just play around with the revs until you are comfotable with it all. Also if you hammer the accelerator before a corner and apply brakes, you build revvs and the computer senses you are in "fun mode" and keeps the revs high for about 10 secs, which when exiting a corner can be used either mid apex (for slide) or after so you can power out of a corner. Just things I have picked up so far Anyone else find anything similar ? (oh, LSD is sooooooo much fun in the wet with these cars too find yourself in a little trouble and nail it, straightens up nicely.)

[ashbox]

yeah, that only happens when your in D, wont happen in active select, its annoying when you plant it and then back off, ie turning into heavy traffic.

[Ewok]

yeah agreed, does only happen in D (D for "Drag"). Would be helpful if you could just enable the constant high-revving when you want it, not just when you stab it heh

[andyman]

Mine can quite happily rev 4-4.5k on brakes no worries (auto) and launches ok, but same issue, hard to do stand stills, can do launches with wheelspin aswel but requires you to be quick on the accelerator and then quick off the brakes at the right revvs too. If you want to get sideways out of a corner, hit the GO pedal about a second or 2 before you normally would with a wire-driven throttle and pray you have LSD coz they do kick out nicely, but requires a short build up of revvs. Basically just play around with the revs until you are comfotable with it all. Also if you hammer the accelerator before a corner and apply brakes, you build revvs and the computer senses you are in "fun mode" and keeps the revs high for about 10 secs, which when exiting a corner can be used either mid apex (for slide) or after so you can power out of a corner. Just things I have picked up so far Anyone else find anything similar ? (oh, LSD is sooooooo much fun in the wet with these cars too find yourself in a little trouble and nail it, straightens up nicely.)

lol at the single spinner, you'd get mine spinning like a demon, then it would kick over and spin the other side and almost throw you into the gutter, after putting the lsd in, its so much more controlableable and doughnuts are **** easy lol,

[Ewok]

Single spinner? Mines LSD diff. what ya on about ?

heh, reminds me of the time me mate in his TT Soarer tried to drift out of a 2 lane roundabout with his open-diff .... 180 up a kurb anyone? Hillarious watching it in my rear view mirror .....

[andyman]

Single spinner? Mines LSD diff. what ya on about ?

heh, reminds me of the time me mate in his TT Soarer tried to drift out of a 2 lane roundabout with his open-diff .... 180 up a kurb anyone? Hillarious watching it in my rear view mirror .....

no i was just laughing about single spinners in general, i know yours is a lsd

[Verds]

What about the 6 manuals? I find it hard to get much power off the line even when heal toeing the brake and accelerator. I generally get her up to 2 - 3grand then drop the clutch (to attempt wheelspin and not ver much wheelspin) or drop it a little slower to keep traction. does any one reacon its due to the dual mass flywheel?

[f1tzy]

Mate be careful when dropping your clutch from a standstill. I only did it a few times and my clutch is pretty ****ed. Im not sure about the DMF but i know the clutch isnt very strong at all which is a big part of the problem

[skyper]

we have a vz and its a really nice car impuluse blue SV6 6 speed,it has now 40,000 on the clock and i gave it to my wife to drive,i will have my vn s pack 5 speed any day,i cannot stand anycar that has delay when u take,it will rev to 7k easy but at an intersection taking of its junk,my vn on gas would blow the doors of it when it comes to take off