Lowering and camber kit.

[one]

Hey all..
just wanting to know a few things, i am wanting to lower my vz.. everyone keeps telling me that i have to get a camber kit for the rear. Is this true? if so what camber kit do you recommend? (the vz is on 20's)
im looking at really dumping it on its arse what are the lowest springs you can get? i heard there are king spring super super superlows? also is it important to use lowered shocks? i was looking at Monroe GT Sport Shocks but not quite sure what to get..
any help would be much appreciated

cheers,
one

[80shovelead]

Hi there, welcome to jc

In regaurds to lowerin your car, the lowest springs you can get are sssl's and that will drop it pretty low, ive got lovells springs, the fronts to get that sittin as low as possible your best bet is to get a set of ssl's for the front

Before you do drop it i highly recomend gettin your gaurds rolled to avoid massive scrubbing issues with your tyres

With the shocks im running stock FE2 ones and havent had a problem with them, as for going with lowered shocks im not able to help you there

I hope this helps you out

[one]

so you advise getting ssl's for the front? why not sssl's?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

It will sit too low at the front (or too high at the back). It's better to have the car level, looks nicer. If you are in need of a camber kit, I do the 4 point Super Pro kit for $160. If you are in WA I can supply the springs as well.

[one]

so you reckon ssl's for front and sssl's for the rear? ill keep ur camber kit in mind mate

[80shovelead]

yeah ssl's for the front so you can still turn with out the problem of pullin the lip of the guard out

ssl's front and sssl's for the rear will have it sittin nice and low, dependin on wat VZ you have will depend on wether it looks level or looks to sit more down in the back

with my calais ive got the above set up in it, and i want to drop the rear more so it will tuck rim in park, but thats abit more than just changing springs though as i will have to cut the bump stops so it wont sit on them

[one]

its just a 05 vz acclaim

[80shovelead]

ok with sssl's in the rear it will sit down abit but not massvily

[one]

what about the front?

[80shovelead]

with the front, the tyre will sit just above the gaurd as thats prob the safest height u can drop the front without havin the tyre hit the gaurd when turnin

this is a mate of mines car, he has sl's in the front so it sits abit higher, and he has bmw's in the rear, it normally sits tucking the tyre sidewall and the rim, sssl's will sit about half a inch higher than that

[one]

thanks buddy.. you've been heaps of help ay.. and i just got me a new wallpaper!

[jaisvz]

well ive got mine on 19's with 245's lowered on SSL's and i get absolutely no scrubbing.

[andyman]

ive got the gt sport struts in my car, they are fantastic to drive on, ive got them with sl's and i reckon the car is more comfortable to drive with than the origional setup up now, you notice the little bumps more now (expectidly) by it road hold some much better and the car dosnt role as much,

i had the original struts running with the sl's for a week while i waited for the gt's to arrive, and the ride is appalling,

there a proper lowered strut, all the sway bar link mounts etc are in different spot to origionals to bring everything back into line

[80shovelead]

no worries at all one

jaisvz, id say thats because the rolling diameter of the 19s isnt as big as the 20s is, which is why you get 225 wide tyres on most 20" rim packages

andyman, thats interestin as im runnin stock FE2 struts and shocks all round still and find there to be stuff all body roll with the car, i know the ride is pretty poor but im used to it now so im not that bothered by it

[one]

did you say he has bmw springs in the rear? what are they from?

[squawk]

Hey Andyman, in your wagon are you running the FE2 suspension or just standard?

[andyman]

andyman, thats interestin as im runnin stock FE2 struts and shocks all round still and find there to be stuff all body roll with the car, i know the ride is pretty poor but im used to it now so im not that bothered by it

hey 80', with the original struts there was very little roll as you said, but with the lower strut the spring isnt as compressed (comparing the two struts together and compressed springs) the sway bar mount is moved to bring that back in line, thus this brings the ride back to basically what it was like from factory, but dosnt roll much and looks phat cause its lowered, i only paid $112 a side so they dont break the budget,

Hey Andyman, in your wagon are you running the FE2 suspension or just standard?

i have:

Front: monroe gt sport lowered struts with kings SL front,
Rear: Kings SL, with factory optioned air lift shocks (running with 20psi) to stop bump stop knock,

the car is running 18's, with 4 average sized people with no air in the shocks, the tyres are sitting under the guards and the edge of the rim just sits at the guard, but in saying that it hits bump stops cause of the shocks

[80shovelead]

one, yeah the calais posted above is running bmw rear springs, they do fit straight in with out any hassles, but it is highly recomended to get shortened shocks as the springs literally fall straight out as soon as theres no pressure on them, and the bump stops have to be cut so it can sit as low as the springs can go, the lovells part number for the springs is BRL-6

andyman, thats interesting i would have thought the shorter strut would have compressed the spring more than the stock one would have, i didnt even realise the sway bar had changed position with lowering haha

that price is pretty decent for the struts aswell, might have to look into it when i get some more cash and have a hoist and spring compressor to do it with

thats also interesting that your car sits on bump stops with 4 people in the car with super lows, mine i think just touches the bump stops with a full car and full tank as it dont drop no more

[andyman]

andyman, thats interesting i would have thought the shorter strut would have compressed the spring more than the stock one would have, i didnt even realise the sway bar had changed position with lowering haha


thats also interesting that your car sits on bump stops with 4 people in the car with super lows, mine i think just touches the bump stops with a full car and full tank as it dont drop no more

i think the shorthand bit come from the base of the spring seat to the bottom of the strut assembly, i should'a taken a picture, the difference is the spring seat is about an inch lower that the standard and the sway bar mount is about an inch higher than standard,

i think the bottoming out has todo with the air shocks,

[80shovelead]

ah ok now i get ya, wasnt able to picture it before

damn that suck, perhaps bumpin the air pressure up may help fix that? but also would give a rougher ride though

[andyman]

damn that suck, perhaps bumpin the air pressure up may help fix that? but also would give a rougher ride though

i run 20 psi in them and the ride is more comfortable lol cause it aint going crash bang and making lots of noise

[80shovelead]

haha fair enough, so long as your happy with how it is thats the main thing

[Travy]

I have SL front, SSL rear on 20's.. little bit of camber in the rear but i havent bothered with a camber kit. oh i also got the monroe gt sports all round too.
Can buy 2 new tyres for the cost of the camber kit plus fitting anyways 1 more set of tyres will see out my time in the VZ easily lol.

if you run a camber kit at SSSL you will need to cut out your lips on the rear guards for clearance.

[80shovelead]

your berlina doesnt seem to sit that low on ssls in the rear, wat tyres are you running on the wheels?

camber kits for the VX2 - VZ so far as im aware arent really needed

the white vy calais posted above has only had the rear gaurds rolled and trimmed some of the bumper and he is on bmw's which are lower than sssl's

[Travy]

245/30/20's

no it doesnt sit ridiculously low (didnt want a rough as guts ride and to be scraping everywhere).. also doesnt attract attention for cops either..