JC Political Thread - For All Things Political Part 2

[zero_tolerance]

A good plan would be for Labour, Greens and Democrats to form a coalition. That would be a center left group with some social conscience, sure there are a few differences but they all care about workers and normal folk.
That would keep the conservatives out of government for the next 30 years, we might get some progressive social policy then for health care and education.
Bring on the peoples government

I really hope your post is a joke, because the thought literally makes me shudder.
Such a scenario would lead Australia into complete ruin and would basically turn it into a third world communist dictatorship.
To say that the left cares about workers and ordinary folk is absurd. This is just a false facade they hide behind. It may have been the case decades ago but those days are long gone.
These days the left is nothing more than a toxic cesspool of wacky ideologies and irrational lunatics.
The left's progressive policies for education includes stuff like encouraging 6 year olds to have sex change procedures. This is just a taste of what is to come. Do we really want to continue down this path?
The left's aim is to DESTROY our way of life as we know it. This is evident not just in Australia but around the world.

 

[Skydrol]

The USA have done there best to destroy the Cuban economy through sanctions since 1959 when Castro took over and now blame the political system for what has happened. However things aren't that flash in the USA. Reported in the NZ herald today, 6000 people line up at a Texas food bank today.

Did the news paper mentioned what city or location in Texas? There are like 3 Democratic bastions in the state, Dallas/Ft Worth area, Austin and Houston. The rest of the state is very conservative.

 

[keith reed]

Did the news paper mentioned what city or location in Texas? There are like 3 Democratic bastions in the state, Dallas/Ft Worth area, Austin and Houston. The rest of the state is very conservative.

They did not. Whether or not it was a republican or Democrat city is irrelevant. It was Texas.

 

[Skydrol]

They did not. Whether or not it was a republican or Democrat city is irrelevant. It was Texas.

Damn... got triggered by that? Yes is relevant to me and have my reasons. Lived in Texas 30 years ago, so I know the difference between City and Country on that state.

 

[keith reed]

I have just read an article on how the Governments of the UK and Australia are now adopting socialist policies that they had previously condemned. In the UK the Tory government is paying 80% of the wages of the unemployed during the coronavirus epidemic. It has only months ago that they had a landslide victory over the Labour party who advocated socialist policies.
In Australia the Liberal National party are paying $1500 per fortnight to those affected by the coronavirus and providing free universal child care. These are the same people who condemned the Labor government who had spent one tenth of what they have on the global financial crisis.
Skydrol will know better than I do how much the Republican government have given to those who have lost their jobs during the coronavirus epidemic.
If that's not socialism than I don't know what is. It's a funny old world isn't it.

 

[Skydrol]

Without going way deep in the history and understanding of these 2 major political parties.

There are no limits on how many political parties can exists, through the times, these two cats (Rep & Dems) "bullied" every other party out. Other alternate parties can be around as long they stay within the 1%. They created a "duopoly" (a hidden coalition) of what they call "Continuation of Government". In an nutshell, 2 political parties of the same thing. Every 4 years is presented like a "Sport Event", Blue Vs Red, is a farce to entertain the masses and to create the "Elections" illusion.

That is why I do not vote, perhaps this elections might be different. Never voted for anybody and you might ask why? Why waste my time on some that has no real meaning. If you try to change some, do some good, work for the people, see what happened, Kennedy was shot, Nixon resigned, Reagan was shot .... you see what is going on right now. Looking through history, somewhere around the 80s, after Ronald Reagan was shot. It became obvious, the Gov is run by what we call "NeoCons" (Neo-Conservatives) and "Liberal Hawks".

A history quickie, the Dems were created in the deep south, they were called "Southern Democrats". In essence, is the party that we were told to hate. So how they gained the "Minority" support? Easy, through Social Programs (social security, welfare, medicaid/medicare, civil rights act) free stuff during the 60s and 70s. But as usual, they accuse others of what they are. Funny is.... they call themselves the "Minority", lets say, if they win, are they the hated "Majority"?

As far the "Stimulus" cash we were supposed to get for his "Nationwide Shutdown", the missus and I, all of us together (including our daughter), we got like $750. According to the Gov Co chart, we made too much cash last year. Now, think for a min, we are productive members of society, we got Taxed more because we work. So, someone that does nothing, lives on the Dole, get $1,700 each (individual) plus, $500 for each kid! That tells me, that is rewarding to be non-productive. No wonder we see a lot of people on the Dole, it does pay.

 

[Trevor loves holden.]

They no the poor will put the money straight back into the economy to boost it, if you give the money to the middle class and rich then it will just sit in banks and wont help the economy that's the reason for the big stimulus package for the poor, its the same in Australia.

 

[keith reed]

They no the poor will put the money straight back into the economy to boost it, if you give the money to the middle class and rich then it will just sit in banks and wont help the economy that's the reason for the big stimulus package for the poor, its the same in Australia.

Trevor I don't know what has gone wrong. I totally agree with you and have been thinking the same ever since the stimulus package began. I am not rich by any stretch of he imagination but my money went straight into the bank. If they are going to give out free money then who am I to complain. The irony to me is that is what socialism is all about. Can you imagine what they would have said if Labor had done the same.
Yes Skydrol we have the same in Australia. The two main parties are much of a muchness. Both adhere to the Westminster style of government. Labor is certainly no radical left wing party and much as I dislike them the Liberals are much the same. They both need people from the other side to get across the line.

 

[Skydrol]

Adding cash to the economy, brought to circulation by debt is no help either. All that does is debase the Currency. Now things will increase in price while we are getting paid the same as yesterday. You have to work more to keep your status of living or adjust to a lesser one. Either way is a temporary patch to keep us going. The only thing the gov did good, by giving to the people first instead of banks, was the benefit of the Cantillion Effect.

Lets face it, all Central Banks ran out of tricks. Now is a confidence game, once the people loose faith in the Gov and Currency is the end of the road.

 

[Trevor loves holden.]

Adding cash to the economy, brought to circulation by debt is no help either. All that does is debase the Currency. Now things will increase in price while we are getting paid the same as yesterday. You have to work more to keep your status of living or adjust to a lesser one. Either way is a temporary patch to keep us going. The only thing the gov did good, by giving to the people first instead of banks, was the benefit of the Cantillion Effect.

Lets face it, all Central Banks ran out of tricks. Now is a confidence game, once the people loose faith in the Gov and Currency is the end of the road.

Mate, America is far cheaper than Australia prices that's why Aussies buy on line as its cheaper to buy outside of their own country, when Australia dollar was like buying 80c American I was getting DeWalt tools shipped at half the cost than I would get from my hardware store, to buy say a 12inch subwoofer in America it be like 70-90 for that same product in Australia its like 199-220 to buy. I don't know how much you get in your pay packet in America but Aussies on average take home 700-800 a week half ends up just paying house rent. If we go much higher in cost of living people on low income wont survive so they be left homeless, to get private rent they go on 3rd of your weekly income so for someone who gets 300 a week that's 100 for rent, not to many private homes in Australia for 100 a week well none in that case.