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Okay the short story is the car is back to standard, money is refunded ( Thankyou to whoever informed APS about this thread, It was the easiest refund I have ever had!) I had 2 tuners look at the tune before taking it back, both were suprised at what hadn't been disabled/ modified. Highlights...

Its been a very interesting day! I won't be posting anymore updates until the car is sorted (approx 1 - 2 weeks depends on when I can get days off work) PIR4TE I've pmed you.

thats my understanding also

I agree. I posted the examples (with a mainline dyno) to show that on forums there are so many biased conflicting opinions and very few facts. Same goes for the dozen or so reputable tuners, I have spoken to at length on the phone and in person. At the end of the day you have to trust someone. I...

Info from this forum page 4 http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/vf/223671-vf-ssv-redline-ute-4.html Hey guys and gals, It's been a little while since I last updated this thread and I have some nice updates on the ute! 1 7/8" HM Headers Extractors 200cell Outlaw Cats 3" HM...

Speak to Dale Patterson Motorsport 03 9338 6492 PIR4TE I respect your INPUT and KNOWLEDGE thats delivered in a civil manner, thats why I took your advice. But I don't take kindly to the unnecessary abuse of other participants, thanks for your time I'll post an update of how it goes with the...

whilst a hydraulic power steering setup is not seeing max load until you are turning the steering wheel it is still turning a fixed displacement hydraulic pump which inturn is pumping the fluid around the circuit, this is enough of a loss for the car manufacturers to negate with electric power...

thats right its the like trying to compare an auto with a manual.

same reasoning for my purchase

gm motorsport = 178.92 km/h walkinshaw =173.54 km/h clubsport =185.3 km/h

Like I said do some ( indepth current multiple source ) research and know what your talking about. If you know your stuff why are you comparing VE results with VF when should immediately realise that the electric steering in a VF results in less drivetrain loss ( between 5-10kw at the rears )...

MAYBE THE DRAGSTRIP WAS READING HIGH the point is that this is an independant comparison that was conducted on the same day, same driver, same strip (a controlled test) and proves that I can feel the difference between cars. FYI a cammed clubsport making 324.6kw did a 13.2 400m and a 5.2...

I am merely pointing out the differences between the two I forgot to add the walkinshaw headers are hpc coated and bear in mind I drove both these cars before the motor magazine came out. the walkinshaw did a 13.8 400m and a 5.8 0-100 with 275 section street rubber the gm motorsport a 13.3...

Guys I'm not starting another 1 7/8's verse 1 3/4 debate, I am just saying the gm motorsport felt torquier. besides the ramjet it is a mafless tune and (I also noticed a micro second of hesitation on first touch of the throttle and not as smooth as the walkinshaw) whilst both cars catbacks are...

The other cars I drove were both 4-1 di filippo, 1 3/4 on the walkinshaw and 1 7/8 on gm motorsport and to the butt dyno the gm felt slighty torquier everywhere, you could probably attribute this to the ramjet as well as the 8kw higher dyno figure

The Tuner will not be back until wednesday, I am taking the car to a local tuner to read the codes on friday. why are 1 and 3/4 headers oversized?

Whilst I haven't used it personally I have seen cars that have used the 3m and similiar.I decided against it because the professional applications I have seen don't cover the whole panel (leaving about a 5-10mm gap) and your paint will fade more where it is not covered. has prevented most stone...

APS is a good tuner, In my instance they have given me bad advice to which I had no way of researching and disproving, secondly they rushed my car when they could of had it for a week How many tuners do you know that are open saturday afternoon, sunday. the whole point of posting here was to...

That is modern motors HOT TUNER challenge the car is the same one I drove the gm motorsports 350 pack :OTR, FULL EXHAUST, TUNE 276.8KW the walkinshaw with sidemount made 268.2 again the same car I drove (mine feels like six in comparison)

about 7 rwkw

Exactly so when i'm told that the sidemount cai makes as much power, same throttle response,etc etc in all conditons as an OTR and makes 20kw less on E85 not 98 (I was told I'd get a 10-12kw gain from E85 alone)and drives terrible I have a right to be pissed. Same goes for the extractors and...

typical response I was expecting 269rwkw on 91 octane, and I have nothing to complain about https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152598152953638&set=vb.111530233637&type=2&theater

typical response I was expecting

hope your hungry AUTO VF WITH BOLT ONS MAKING 270 MAINLINE DYNO https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152734814033638&set=vb.111530233637&type=2&theater

yesterday 250+ kays 5 days

The tuner knew I was coming back in 2 weeks for a 98 tune , already had a car on the dyno all bays full, nowhere around the area to open it up, I live 1.5 hrs away at best didn't want 2 hrs plus with peak hour, had things to do as I was supposed to pick it up the day before, my brother who had...

fair enough

I love varied opinions, But I will only take on board opinions backed up by facts. does anyone who has commented negatively have the same setup as me that can show me their dyno sheets? I don't give a damn what the dyno sheet says if the car drives like this, If this what it is supposed to be...

good idea after I get it sorted

Thanks PIR4TE some Knowledgeable constructive advice. I thought this is what we all joined these forums for not to hide behind our keyboards and slag each other off

So you don't know then what are you basing your insults /comments.on your car would not be making 220rwkw stock I can elaborate if you like dropped off on monday at 7.30am picked up at 2pm tues. I was told a day when I got there he said 2, I told him he could have it for a week seeing the 20...

As you rightly point out Dyno's are a tool like yourself. What was your gain? If you have read my posts and taken them in you will realise that when I questioned the dyno sheet GAIN 30KW Frank quickly rebuttled with the stock line is with everything installed!!!

The driveline warranty is insurance approximately $500 premium paid by the tuner whether its Walkinshaw, Harrop, or GM Motorsports I have spoken to all of them in person at length. If you had a failure the parts would have to be sent to an expert/manufacturer for their final opinion on why it...

I put in 2 full tanks before the tune to be sure and it was hard to start before I drove there

I'm seriously doubting 690nm at the flywheel I'd think I would notice an extra 150nm

Standard LSD Auto box

I was going to GM but according to them there is no gain on E85 and mafless tune (Danny who answers is rude and not very knowledgeable) APS was recomended by PIR4TE and i had only read positive things

Because I do my research why would I pay $6500 for the same gain as $2500 approx. I paid the $3350 a grand extra for a gain I never received Its not about a shoestring budget (I could drop another 10k if I wanted it supercharged)its being smart and getting value for money not wank factor I...

Its 75kw gain not 30kw gain

simple math 5-10 + 260kw = 265-270KW I am losing on both counts the car is a disappointment to drive it doesn't make the numbers and i think the blue line is stock. on average a vf SS with auto makes around 215rwkw on 98 on e85 220rwkw good possibility you guys are unreal you don't see...