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Way off subject is my guess. I still think these cars are weapons and perform very well for what they are. Great bang for buck and I'm impressed with the thing. Still got a soft for the blue oval though........

I find it disappointing that both aussie car makers finally got their products to the point where they are capable of competing easily with the euro stuff on a performance basis (and being more reliable) only to stop making them. Ludicrous in my opinion

In the harleys defence I did get the jump on him. Just a better reaction time. My ssv is quicker than my mates ex hipatrol ve ss that has a few mods done to it and we don't know why. It's got us stumped actually.

I'm used to 4wd ftrucks. Heaps of grunt and strong as just too heavy to be fast lol. I can't say I am a holden man but this commodore is really a terrific car. Drives beautifully and handles like a car half its weight. Bolt a turbo onto it? Holy ****! This thing can smack a modified harley off...

I have a ve ssv bog stock original and I think it is a ridiculously fast car out of the box. Is this the case or am I kidding myself?