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18" Wheels to fit brembo or ap racing package

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by SSLS3, Aug 5, 2017.

Bigbrake kit worth it for street use ?

  1. Yes absolutely

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  2. Upgrade of rotors & pads with stock brakes is good for street

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  3. Upgrade of pads alone is good enough for street .

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  4. No stock brakes are enough unless used on track.

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  1. SSLS3

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    I find the stock brakes on my VF2 SS LS3 ( 2 piston front / 1 piston rear) sedan in manual not confidence inspiring and planning to upgrade to a big brake kit.

    However l want to stay with 18" rims due to comfort and keep tyre costs down. Looking for answers from folks who already have done a similar setup - If so can you share details and pictures. And can a 6 piston caliper brake be fitted under 18" wheel ?( I know there are other similar threads but cant find a definite answer.)

    I will also publish my findings here to be useful for others.
     
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    Koya's make 18" wheels that will fit over HSV brake kits.
     
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    Thanks mate , do you know the model details , I was thinking an 8.5" wide wheel would be optimal.
     
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    Honestly I did mine just for looks. Also I couldn't stand the fact that every little WRX and Mercedes had bigger brakes than my Calais :)
     
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    The details are on the Koya website. Look at the semi forged range. A number of the 18 inch options are BB compatible.
    http://www.koya.com.au/make/2-1/

    Contact Koya and give them all the details of your car and the brake option front and rear you intend to fit and they will confirm if the wheel you have selected is compatible. Apart from that you have offset options with these wheels.

    If you are going to fit a stock HSV brake package or a stock SSV Redline Brembo brake package that is fine. But if you are going to fit some other non - stock big brake package you will be required in VIC (as in NSW and QLD) to get an engineering certification before the vehicle will be compliant and considered roadworthy.
    So if you want a non stock Big Brake package check with one of the certifiers in VIC before you buy it to ensure they will approve it. (Refer VIC ROADS - Guide to Modifications to Motor Vehicles - Vehicle Standards Bulletin 8 - available online in PDF.)
     
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    I will be sending email to Koya.

    Thanks Sean880,good to know about rules about using only the stock brake packages. How do guys like Harrop , Walkinshaw and many others sell their 6pot / 4 pot combo ?
     
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    I guess my query boils down to 2 things . Any help in either would be much appreciated.

    1. Is the big brakes necessary over stock brakes for street? If so how much better and is there any data to support it?

    Based on 100-0 stopping distances for comparison
    2016 SV6 Wagon Auto - Stock 2 pot / 1 pot 40.38m @ 3.06s
    2016 SSV Redline sedan Auto - Brembo 4pot/4pot 37.77m @ 2.98s
    2016 HSV GTS Sedan Manual - APRacing 6 pot/4 pot 35.05m @ 2.75s

    So looks like appox 5m & 1/4 sec can be shaved off by the biggest stoppers compared to stock in 100 - 0 .


    2. What are the 18" rims that can accommodate big brakes for those who do not want to upgrade to 19" and 20" wheels to do so ?

    Other than Koya what are the other wheel options available in Australia ? Based on this thread https://forums.justcommodores.com.a...heel-fitment-guide-under-construction.243005/ I am planning to shortlist some wheels ,if it doesn't make me fully insane. Any help appreciated.
     
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    I honestly prefer the size of 18" over 20" (obviously I'm in the tiny minority that do), but that is mostly because that even with Brembos (or other big brakes), the 20" make the brakes look small.
    I love the look of those older AMG's and Porsches which had tiny gaps between the wheel and caliper, and the rotor that was only just smaller than the ID of the wheel.

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    2.6 to 5m and a few seconds can be the difference between life and death.
    Remember though total stopping distance and time on first stop is one thing. Each repeat will see the gap widen as the stock's fade away and the Brembo's keep performing. Also a rotor and pad upgrade with Brembo's will see the difference increase by a far greater margin.
     
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    Motor magazine (August issue) did 100-0 km/h on VF2 SS ute with 36.53m. Apparently Hyundai i30SR did it with 33.95m. Guess it depends on the surface conditions on the day.
     
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    I agree with on this especially with a heavy car large brakes would be confidence inspiring, it would be interesting to know how much of a difference a a good brake pad makes on the stock 2 caliper

    Or a rotor upgrade on the stock 2pot caliper is worth it
     
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    Based on some research found some rims that would fit Brembo brakes - Not sure about Enkei , but the rest of the wheels should fit Brembo's and even possibly AP Racing.

    18 " Wheels ( Name Width Offset)

    Koya
    SF01,SF03,SF05 8.0 Custom

    BBS
    SR 8.0 32
    SX 8.0 30

    TSW
    Nurenberg 8.0 35

    Team Dynamics - V8 Supercar
    ProRace 1.2 8.0,9.0 Custom
    ProRace 1.3 8.5,10.0 Custom

    VMR - Mars Performance
    VMR 701,705,710,721,810

    Forgeline Possible fit , pricey $$
    GA3R 7-15 in 0.5 increments , Custom ?

    Enkei - Could possibly fit the brakes esp TX05 ,TSP6 & M52
    M52 8.0 P32
    TSP6 8.5 P35
    TX05 8.5 P35

    Raijin 8.5 P38
    PF01 8.0 P35
    EKM3 8.0 P32
     
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    I have run several SSV 19" with Eibach TÜV adaptors:
    Four pot Brembos under 19” VE SSV
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    (Eibach TÜV adaptors)
    Never seen six piston Brembos under 18".
    I am considering these 18" VFII Calais with the Eibach adaptors:
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    Also worth noting are DRAG DR 37 wheels that yanks spec with the Brembos under 18":
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    I like the Team Dynamics, brilliant gear and good price, just is hard to beat Calais 18" drop forged Alcoa with tyres for $100-$200 a wheel on eBay o_O
     
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    Thanks for the pics . Look like there is good clearance with the DRAG 37 wheels , are they available here ?

    I was thinking of the Holden OEM wheels as well , but aren't the spacers illegal in Victoria ?
     
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    My BMW 135i M Sport Coupé has factory fitted 6 piston Brembos with 18 inch rims.

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    Rim diameter is important when fitting big brake calipers but it’s the centre design that is crucial.

    As a general rule any rim design with a flat face centre should accommodate big calipers.

    After that, think about your rotor size.


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    Don'y think DRAG brand here, no sorry.
    About as illegal in terms of widening the track as running rims with offset of P35 or less on a Zeta, same as Porsche TÜV (guaranteed for life) vs Asian aftermarket rims with no recourse.
    It is not something you can observe unless with wheels off. Nowhere near as illegal (re zero fine imposed, remedy required) vs disabling emissions gear and switching to High Flow Cats when you install headers, CAI and tune for example. Like everybody does.
    I put it in the same basket as running six pots without a cert., bolt-on / bolt-off. Never anyone including genuine those in policing have observed an issue with good stance on stock rims.
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    Group buy on some Drag DR37? They look easy to clean

    Edit: seen some on car pics and they don't look so great
     
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    Sure, will look into price via distributors here else special order.
    I'm keen on 8.5 front, 9.5 rear.
    I also like the V8 Supercar 18s as well (Team Dynamics), of course. Good price via local distributor.
     
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    any pics of the Team Dynamics wheel on a VF?
     

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