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20" Baretta wheels on VF II

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Ron Burgundy, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. Ron Burgundy

    Ron Burgundy Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys

    My car was fitted with 20" Baretta wheels from the factory.

    The dealer sold it to me with 18" wheels.
    I currently have 19" staggered redline wheels on it.

    I want to be able to rotate the wheels so thinking of sourcing Baretta 20" wheels.

    Any drawbacks with 20" wheels in terms of comfort, load rating and tyre price ?
     
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    I think the ride isn’t too different at all. It depends if you get cheap nasty tyres or not.
     
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    20” tyres will be more expensive than 18” tyres.
    20” wheels with low profile tyres will be harsher than 18” wheels with the same rolling diameter.
    20” wheels are easier to damage via gutters and potholes.

    And if your not running staggered wheels, then you can rotate your wheels to improve tyre life.

    Aesthetics aside, 18” wheels will allow lower TCO or allow you to buy better quality rubber if your spend is similar to what 20” tyres would cost you.

    Possibly, quality 18” rubber will perform better on a daily basis than sh!t 20” rubber :rolleyes:
    19” wheels probably sit somewhere between the 18’s and 20’s :cool:

    Also, the smaller the wheel, the more efficient it is but the big wheel trend has been driven by aesthetics ;)
     
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    Go the 20's






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    If the 20" Beretta wheels were standard, I recommend getting a set for 'originality', even if they sit in your shed.
    I got the dealer to swap my Monaro 18"s for 17"s when I bought it, because as a daily, I considered them unsuitable.
    Now, I wish that I had kept them for 'originality', and it now has CV8R 18"s on it because it is not used as a daily.
     
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    They are my thoughts. Wanna keep it as close as possible to original...
    Soooo no non-reversible mods :)
     
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    Warning - pointless rant follows.

    WTF?! Why did HSV call them Baretta when there is already a very well known worldwide brand that's called Beretta?!?!
    Either come up with something original or get approval from the manufacturer of the brand you're referencing, FFS!!

    /Rant.

    Those Barettas are somewhat pricey new, aren't they? Maybe have a look at what the cost of tyres for them is, if you're a lover of Good Tyre the difference may not be something worth worrying about (having just bought a pair of the Michelin PS4S's I seem to recall that they weren't enough more expensive in 20" over 19" that it would bother me). There's undoubtedly an NVH downside, it'd kinda be good if there were some way to experience that before committing to a few grand's worth of wheels & tyres … wonder if you could find someone with FE2 & 20's off this forum to give you a bit of a ride & see what you thought about that NVH difference?
     
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    Beretta is a company brand selling firearms.

    Trademark allows use of a term/name in another market segments where the trademark holder is not operating within. So one could use the exact same term for a wheel rim model name or indeed a company name for a business making wheels...

    There is no need to get the firearm maker‘s permission, Beretta, to make wheels called Baretta, Beretta or such. Restrictions only apply if market confusion would be caused between manufacturers/products in the same market segment...

    Now if the baretta wheels were advertised as ‘gun wheels’, that would be a problem ;)
     
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    In that case ... if they want association with Beretta, call it Beretta … if they don't, call it Bob or something … but don't crave that association & then change one letter which doesn't even change the pronunciation of the word. :)
     
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    So I could sell gummy bears here as Microsoft?





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    If the “gummy bears” you sell are a type of bean bag you sit in, then yes.

    If your “gummy bears” are a type of food, especially a type of confectionary, regardless of your company name, you’d be found to be infringing a trademark.

    If your company named “Microsoft” deals in any software or software related business, then confusion would ensue as to who is who and you’d be in trouble. But if you only deal in soft bean bags, then you’d be ok.

    But the real issue is that if you are a small business, the big boys with no legal basis for a trademark infringement case can still bankrupt you into submission purely based on the depth of their pockets.
     
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    But these are really small and soft gummy bears.





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    ^ and comfortable to sit on after a trademark reaming ;)
     
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    The owners of Beretta obviously choose not to take action (or don’t even know about it) as the first principle for a manufacturing company is to protect your brands at all costs and cross-brand names are usually targeted for that reason alone or maybe the Italians aren’t so easily frightened by a fly-by-night company.



    Ron as figjam posted earlier, if the car has a tag or is documented as coming from the factory with those rims then I’d at least have a set of them in my garage for when it comes time to sell.

    OEM gear increases desirability and as time goes on it’ll become harder to source a set.

    I keep all my OEM rims and no matter how good you think your car looks with aftermarket rims and tyres you’d be surprise how many buyers ask if you have the original rims as well.



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    No offence , but my guess is they sold you an un original SS Black by exchanging wheels off another car that that buyer had made a deal for some different mags , then they put them on your car as a selling point .

    EDIT : I just saw a pic S1 wagon that appeared to have them on , so they mighta come with them
     
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    Dont understand what are you trying say...

    The dealer removed factory 20" wheels from my car and then obviously put standard ss black 18" wheels on my car...
    The car was on the lot with 18's and thats how i bought it. Tyre placard and vin check later on revealed that the factory fitted 20" wheels on it...
     
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    Sorry my bad I didn't realise that they were optioned for that model
     
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    The Road Vehicle Descriptor has interesting info related to your car.

    SS Black is variant 2 according to the above RVD, as such it has:
    18 x 8 rims with 245/45R18 100V tyres as standard both front and back.
    20 x 8.5 rims with 245/35 R20 95Y tyres were optional on both front and back.

    19" rims/tyres were never offered so its considered an allowable mod as far as the registration mob are concerned.

    I find it annoying that, these days, the tyre placard doesn't even specify standard and optional wheels/tyres combos... And why the rego docs list only the optional tyres is anyones guess...
     

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