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2011 series 2 SV6 3.6 SIDI

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by Phantom, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. Phantom

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    Yeah i wasnt going to ask the dealer about a svesta valve, lol, you guys opullin my leg heheheh. anyway, we will see how it goes
     
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    Why give it an oil change every 30000 kms they have had a complete oil replacement.
    I cant understand how the oil usage is so high. my car hasn't used oil at 23.000 km but will watch it closer. Also I drive a B-Double truck interstate and they don't use that amount of oil, and when they start using that amount they are looked at very soon

    Jeff
     
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    Different cars use different amounts due to internal clearances, PCV valves "sucking" more than they should, etc.
    Nissan's acceptable usage last time I read was 1L/1000km, depending on circumstances! For a pulsar, that's a full sump load every 2600kms and still within spec? Yep...

    As for the SIDI, it may be as easy as updating to a newer PCM software if that's available for your car.
     
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    my 3.0 SIDI uses more oil than I expected, but I check it regularly.
    I average 30,000 km per year, and have the car serviced at 15,000 km.
    I don't add oil just before a service - that'd be a waste. In fact I've only added oil once in 2 years. So, when I go for a service, the oil is usually near the bottom of the recommended range.
    Also, I found that none of the after-hours sources (Coles & Woolies servos, etc) carry 5W-30.
    So, I bought 10 L of Valvoline, and I keep a litre in my tool kit, in case I need to top up while away from home.
    I don't understand why the SIDI would use more oil than earlier VE & VZ, but I accept that other contributors to this thread have similar experience, so I won't fret over it.
    I can't see the point of using something other than the factory-recommended oil, and the recommended service interval.
    And the Holden dealer in Sydney saying that recommended oil isn't suited to Sydney temperatures: what are they smoking ?
     
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    Holden covers warranty items, not the dealership. That being said I would demand they use the oil that Holden recommends, not the dealer. If it uses excessive oil on the recommended oil then you have a case.

    The exceptional amount is a bit ridiculous but thats how it is unfortunately. We have replaced engines that go beyond the acceptable limit under warranty but theres a lot of other things to try before it gets to that stage.
     
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    Hey RiCey
    I have called 4 Holden dealers, 3 in NSW and 1 in VIC, they all use 10W30 weight semi synth. I would use full synth 5W30, but not prepared to waste money if it is going to burn it off, maybe would if the oil was going to stay/last in the car for 15000ks, but I would never leave oil for that long, and I probably would not have any oil left after 15000ks. LOL. Damn these SIDI engines, but they do go hard.
     
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    According to the manuals Holden released both 5w30 and 10w30 are accepted. This is for the ly7 alloytecs anyway.
     
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    What brand of oil does Holden use.
    What does Holden actually state the sidi should use and what does your local dealership recommend?
    Off to one today for the first free 3000k service... Aka look up. Tempted to buy a filter and oil and change it over afterwards
     
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    My Holden dealer uses Castrol GTX professional semi synth 10W30, and I can not find this in any stores. On the engine oil filler cap it says 5W30, but the 4 differant dealers I have called all use 10W30 semi synth. I even spoke to a VIC dealer as well.
    Also, i do not think you can change your own oil, you have to go to a certified mechanic, else your warranty may be void, FFS we cant even change our oil ourselves, WTF..
    Oh well, lucky I have a mech that will stamp my book after I change the oil myself. :rockon: fark the corporations. We buy Holdens cause of Aussie pride etc ozi ozi ozi oi oi oi, the least they can do is support their product when needed, or when known issues are found
     
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    Interesting indeed. I am yet to find the said gtx professional anywhere either...... I would buy in bulk if I could. I am still yet to see any information about the usage of oil in the sidi motor long term.
    In the old ecotec I was changing oil and filter every 5000km-8000km. From the Holden service department they have advised me I don't 'need' to with the sidi motor hmmm......

    I am more incline to change oil and filter between the suggested services. No need to get book stamped if doing this way, if you plan on selling your car later on you could keep receipts for the oil and filter etc.. to show that the changes have been done more often then suggested....
     
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    I still think that 500mls of oil burned in 3000ks is too much, I dont give a crap if Holden say it is acceptable. Main reason for doing the oil consumption test is to get it on record and if anything happens down the track, I can say that I already flagged this issue and Holden did nothing. Will see what they come up with, will be going back on friday for them to measure how much oil I have used in 1000ks, I can already see a drop in level on the dipstick, FFS. On the other hand, I dont want my engine to burn so much oil, but I dread having the dealer mechanic smucks, having to do major work on my engine such as replacing rocker covers, FFS, when i was in there last for them to start the oil consumption test, all they had to do was top up the oil and record how much they put in, do u think they could do this simple task without leaving oily hand marks on my bonnet etc, FFS, I can work on my cars and not leave a trace of **** on the paint work. I will also be telling them this, as I have invested a lot of time in clay barring, sealing and waxing my car, and I dont appreciate smucks leaving oil prints on my car, FFS, imagine what they would do if they had to change the rocker covers.:banstick:
     
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    Try a full synthetic next change...it may just serve to ease your mind.
     
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    Hi.
    Quick update.
    Just went for the 1000ks oil consumption measurement, and guess what....
    I have used 1ltr of oil in 1200ks. WTF. :bomb:
    Had a chat to service manger about an action plan.
    It's up to GMH now, but he did say this looks to be more "terminal" than a PCV issue etc.
    Great:censored:
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    After the Holden dealer filled my SV6 S2 2011 with full Synthetic on the 30,000km service I have not used any oil in 6,000 km (I have 36,500km on the odo now)

    Seems to have fixed my issue and I was using between 1.1 and 1.6ltrs every 3,000km from new
     
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    what rating?
     
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    Penrite 5w-40 Full Synthetic in mine...consumption dropped to negligible amounts instantly. I'm changing every 7000ks though.
     
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    Changing to a full synthetic really made the differance for you? I will see what happens over the next 1000k's and if oil consumption is still up, I will try a full synth Penrite 5W40.
    Also I did drive the car like it was stolen the last 1000ks, and obviously the results speak for themselves, first oil consumption test was 500mls in 3000ks, then driving it like it was meant to be driven, I used 1litre in 1200ks. The dealer was a bit suprised, so tha #### they should be. I love my Black SV6 Sportwagon, I have put tints on her and a towbar and the paint work has had a full decontamination done and sealed and waxed, it looks awesome. I want to keep it for a long time, as I am not a rich ####, I cant afford to change vehicles every year or so, #### sakes it is the nicest car I have ever owned, I am an ol ####, 46years old, so I have had a lot of cars and bikes in my time. FFS damn these SIDI engines, but they go hard. I want my engine sorted, and if it is a case of just using a full synth oil, then why dont the dealers do this? They should know, right?
    Anyway, enough of my rant for today.
    Thanks guys
     
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    From my recollections, a key issue is where the oil is being lost.

    If it is through a leak, including down the valve guides, then using fully synthetic may result in increased oil consumption. Use of a thicker oil might help in this case, say 10W40 instead of 5W-30.

    However, if the oil is being lost in the combustion chamber, the higher temperature properties of fully synthetic oil may reduce the amount of oil lost.
     
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    Yeah see this is where the confusion is with the numbers on oil cans. the first number is how thin the oil stays when cooled, so a 5W is thinner, when cold, than 10W. The end numbers x30 or x40 are a measure of the oils viscosity when at running temps. The oil grading numbers are so confusing, but if there is a leak, then doesnt matter what oil grade you use, it will leak it, out valve guides etc. Now if the engine is a hotter running engine, such as the SIDI's then maybe, just maybe the full synth oil will tolerate this much better than a semi-synth oil and maybe, will not get burnt off as easily. I am hoping it is just a simple fix such as changing to a full synth oil, but my gut feeling is that it could be the rings, Fark knows how, on a 25000k engine????? .Anyways i will do another 1000ks and get the holden dealer to check consumption again, if it is still poor, i will change to a full synth oil, and see how that goes. I may just get lucky, but probably not.
     
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    My test resulted in 500ml used in 2500 k's which is still pretty high IMO. They checked for leaks and none were found. Have to go back in another 3000 k's for the next test.
     

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