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30 Holden dealers to close dec 17

Discussion in 'News/Updates' started by BLACK-VE, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. commodore665

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    I agree , in any case the Mustang is rubbish to drive , power is good , it's a shame it's let down by it's build quality and its ride , and the Camaro looks better I think too , with it's Commodore based chassis , it has it over the Mustang hands down . Over in NZ Holden's biggest seller is the Colorado , at my local dealer , they cannot get them in quick enough ,
     
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    You might be right but clearly there is a market for them, just look at the number of deposits Ford took for Mustangs before a single car has landed in Aussie.

    AT the end of the day there is a decent size GM/V8 fan base, you are better to try and meet some of that demand than ignore it and loose these customers to another marquee.

    I'm middle aged, I have 2 almost adult aged children. Very soon I won't have the need for a 4 door saloon :D
     
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    There is something not right about the Mustangs sales that intrigues me.
    There are currently 1,200 current model Mustangs on Carsales.com, of which 440 are listed as ‘used’
    Ford are crowing about the number sold last month, but is this because of a couple of shiploads arriving, and the order backlog being on road registered within a few days ?
    Anyone likely to guess what the ‘normal’ monthly sales are likely to be when the initial demand is satisfied ?
    If the Camaro was available here, as of now, I doubt it would be as successful as the Mustang, as the coupe market would be fragmented.
     
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    I see an MX5 convertible in your future.
     
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    People are also opting for the Dodge Challenger over here .
     
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    AS long as you'll rip the seats out for me and have it signed off ;)

    Those aren't half bad either, look rather menacing in black :)
     
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    I checked the addresses of closed dealerships on google street view. Some switched to other brands, whilst some dealers are either deserted, or the building has been re appropriated as something else. Others had very old street view images, and the dealer was still functioning - mind you these dealers were quite small, especially the ones in small 3000 person country towns. They would have had an office, a showroom big enough for one car, a workshop the size of a double garage and an extensive selection of used cars (which is probably where they made all their money...). May have possibly even been a sole-trader setup.
     
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    They do look good in black , the service manager at the local Holden dealer has a 300C SRT8 in black , black rims and smoked headlamp shields , it looks like a mafia staff car , mind you so does my SV6
     
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    The 300c looks more like a pimp car.
     
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    Pimpmobile!!!
     
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    It was always going to happen, and there will be more to follow.
    Looks like there will be a lot of car salespeople without jobs.
     
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    Most of them should try parliament for a new job
     
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    That probably would raise the average IQ of parliament....
     
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    A couple were touted recently. Suttons Waitara. A biggie. Holds NSW dealers licence no.1 (or it did...).

    If GM offloads Holden to PSA, and PSA wants to rationalise its purchase of Opel/Vauxhall, there will be precisely zero Holden dealers left.
     
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    You are correct of course. People ought to look at the sales figures on Camaros. They cannot even move 100000 units pa in the entire US (72,705 nationally in 2016) and national Canada sales where they only have to truck the cars across the border in ex factory left hand drive configuration were a pitiful at 2707 units in 2016. Yet the Camaros are relatively inexpensive products there.
    Here are GMs own figures.................
    http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/camaro/chevrolet-camaro-sales-numbers/

    GM would have a very good idea of the numbers of vehicles they could expect to move in RHD markets were they to tool up for this and, thus, whether it would be a profitable venture or a loss maker.

    The sales here would be minimal once the initial flurry of enthusiast orders were satisfied, in part, because they would be relatively expensive. The production costs for RHD drive have to be covered, you have sizeable transportation costs across the US and then overseas, and a very unfavourable USD to AUD exchange rate running against your pricing. It gets worse when you hit the luxury car tax threshold.

    You also have a large segment of the market that can afford the cars who regard US vehicles (and Aust built vehicles for that matter) as rubbish when compared to the wide variety of expensive European counterparts available here and won't buy them.

    Since GM is flogging off their entire Opel and Vauxhaul operations in Europe to the PSA Group, I wonder how much longer GM Holden will be sustained here now that local manufacturing is being terminated.
    http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...s/news/us/en/2017/mar/0306-opel-vauxhall.html
     
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    The Big 4 made their money in the 90s by selling big, cheap cars to mostly fleets, but families too. Thats why Hyundai, Mazda and Toyota are going well globally - they sell large volumes of cars, focusing on turnover. When local makers lost the fleet orders, they effectively lost the plot.

    Even if a RHD Camaro made it here, it would be priced around the Mustang's price point (50k and up) and as such it would be priced beyond the average punter. And yes, for $50k there are arguably other better offers for those who like cars and are into driving. Unless its for salary sacrifice, fleets won't be interested.
     

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