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3rd brake light legality

Discussion in 'VT - VX Holden Commodore (1997 - 2002)' started by Holden<3, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. Holden<3

    Holden<3 New Member

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    Hi guys quick question.. I want to install a spoiler on my VT executive ( never had one on before) My question is for now is it legal to keep using the parcel shelf 3rd brake light and not connect the spoiler brake light for the time being, or would that make my car un-roadworthy? The spoiler i want to put on is a HSV one and has quite short feet so I don't think it would block the view of the parcel shelf brake light at all.
    Thanks.
     
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    you want the spoiler light to work to be legal either remove the globe, plug or put a sticker over it thats easy way and what i did
     
  3. Trevor loves holden.

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    It depends on your state laws, I don't see a problem having them all connected and working, most cars have a rear brake light on the back window as well as the spoiler one. If its fitted then it must be working.
    Window one helps truck drivers, spoiler helps cars and bikes.
     
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    Queensland we reside and 5 years ago our spoiler cracked and was beyond safe use and not long after I managed to track down a near perfect replacement one for $40.00 and after connecting it all up I could never get the brake light to work so that's how I drive it.
    Two of the normal brake lights and the parcel shelf one and I've never been stopped for not having the light in the spoiler not working.
    The way the rear of the Commodores light up even Stevie Wonder could see the glow.
     

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    You will look stupid with a window brake light and a spoiler. It'll drive you mad with the setup lit up in red in your mirror everytime at night. It's why spoiler cars have the window light deleted.
     
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    Vic roads regulations.
    1. One or more lamps may be fitted inside the vehicle
    directly onto the rear window or the on the outside of
    the rear of the vehicle.
    2. A single lamp must be fitted centrally. If dual lamps are
    used, both must be fitted at the same height at equal
    distances from the centre of the vehicle.
    3. If the lamps are fitted to the outside of the vehicle,
    no part of the lense should be lower than the bottom
    edge of the rear window by more than 152mm for
    convertibles and 77mm for other vehicles.
    4. The lamps must not interfere with the operation of the
    original brake lamps.
    5. When lit, the lamps should display a steady red light
    to the rear. Lamps which flash, pulsate or “move”,
    or contain any written or graphic message are not
    allowed.
    Previously, high mounted brake lamps were permitted
    to display the word “STOP”. However, lamps fitted
    after 1 July 1989 should comply with the above
    requirement which is consistent with the Australian
    Design Rule.

    7. The light emitted should not be bright enough to
    cause annoyance to anyone following and, as a guide,
    should not be brighter than a standard brake lamp.
    8. the lamps should be securely attached to the vehicle
    so that they will not break away during normal use
    or in an accident when they could cause injury to
    the vehicle occupants. If fixed by suction cups these
    should also be glued to the vehicle with an epoxy resin
    or similar strength adhesive able to withstand
    high temperatures.
    9. Care must be taken to ensure that the lamp and
    mounting do not interfere with seat belts, child
    restraints or their anchorages.
    10. The lamps must face to the rear and must be fitted
    so that no part of the lense is visible from the driver’s
    position, either directly or through the rear vision
    mirror, and so that there is no noticeable glare or
    reflection inside the vehicle when the brakes
    are applied.
    11. All electrical wiring involved should be suitable
    terminated, insulated and supported. Care should be
    taken not to overload the original brake lamp circuit.
    An automotive electrician should be consulted if there
    is any doubt.
    12. The lamps should be mounted so that, in the event
    of a crash or sudden vehicle manoeuvre it cannot be
    contacted by the head of a passenger in the rear seat;
    if mounted outside the vehicle, the lamp should not
    protrude beyond the profile of the vehicle as seen
    from the rear, nor be mounted in a manner likely to
    cause injury to any other road users.
    HISTORICAL DOCUMENT FOR REFERENCE ONLY

    So According to this the window brake light has to be working if its factory, no where in the rules says you can remove it in Victoria as stated in number 4, you need to find out your state laws before removing it .
     
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    Western Australian Current Regulations
    Fitting brake lights

    (1) A brake light must be fitted to the rear of a vehicle built after 1934.

    (2) A pair of brake lights must be fitted to the rear of —

    (a) a motor vehicle built after 1959 that has 4 or more wheels;

    (b) a motor trike built after 1959 that has 2 rear wheels; and

    (c) a trailer built after June 1973.

    (3) The centre of a brake light must be —

    (a) at least 350 mm above ground level; and

    (b) not over —

    (i) 1.5 m above ground level; or

    (ii) if it is not practicable to fit the light lower — 2.1 m above ground level.

    (4) A vehicle may be fitted with one or more additional brake lights.

    (5) The centre of an additional brake light must be at least 350 mm above ground level.

    (6) If only one brake light is fitted to a vehicle, it must be fitted in the centre or to the right of the centre of the vehicle’s rear.

    (7) Subrule (6) applies to a motor bike with an attached sidecar as if the sidecar were not attached.

    So no mention about factory brake lights, so best to find out if you can remove the globe just in case.
     
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    the_boozer no more VK

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    Trev while your reading the rules is there one that says if something is there it must work?
     
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    When we bought our new VS back in '97 we optioned the deck lid spoiler. Leach Motors removed the bulb from the rear window brake light as they said it is illegal to have it and the spoiler brake light both working.
     
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    I don't see the brake light in my reviews mirror.
     
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    That's what they think. You can have as many as you like long as it doesn't interfere with factory fitted lights, contact your state or territory laws, Truck driver don't see the spoiler brake bar up close that's why I leave my window one active, it stats in Victoria if lights are fitted as standard then they must be working.
     
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    Number 4 in Victoria stats it. Everyone to themselves either contact your road place laws in your state or face a fine or warning.
     

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