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Just thought I'd throw this up here to help out other people with a similar issue, because I couldn't find anything on JC when I looked.
Bought an ex-taxi VFii Calais-V 3.6 a little while ago, that was cheap because it had transmission issues. It took about 3 seconds to engage drive after shifting to D, and when it did, it engaged with a bang. It also had a rough and abrupt shift between 1st and 2nd, and sometimes a flare between 3rd and 4th.
Here it is, doing its best not to look like a Corporate Cab:

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Looked at the trans fluid condition, and it seemed OK. Service history for the car said it had been changed at the 150km mark, as per Holden schedule. It had around 290km on it, so was due another filter and serving of ATF. The fluid was old, but didn't look burnt or overly discoloured. Suspected something mechanically wrong - a leaking clutch piston maybe, which would explain the slow drive takeup and harsh shifts, as the ECM commands a gear and ramps up commanded pressure until it finds it (with a bang). Given the mileage it had done, it also wouldn't have been surprising for it to have simply worn out a clutch pack. The fluid condition didn't suggest this though.
Because it had spent most of its life so far shuttling politicians to and from the airport in rush hour traffic, the ex-Holden tech at work suggested that it was worth resetting the learned shift values in the trans to see if it made any difference, as a first step. Took it to the local Holden dealer, who charged an hour's labour to reset it (I should really invest in a scan tool), but surprisingly, it came right for about a day until it relearned all the bad habits again. One bonus was that the dealer pulled some fault codes out of it, all of which related to the TEHCM. They then tried to sell me a new valve body for an astronomical sum, lol. The codes were the following:
P0872 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 3 Circuit Low Voltage
P0877 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 4 Circuit Low Voltage
P0989 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 5 Circuit Low Voltage
Now, I'm just a simple diesel mechanic, but even I could see a theme here. After a little Googling, it looked like plenty of Americans with E90 BMWs had the same issues, BMW having bought a load of 6L45s off GM for their US market vehicles (something something local content, I'm guessing). All of their issues related to the diaphragms in the pressure switches splitting, causing the switch not to react to changes in the fluid pressure acting against its diaphragm. Makes sense - ECM commands a solenoid on, and expects to see a change at the corresponding pressure switch. If the fluid pressure has nothing to act against, the switch doesn't change state. ECM is confused, reverts to default value.
Sonnax in the US do a repair kit for the pressure switches, consisting of new plastic diaphragms (or laminate discs) and seals. They also sell the special tools needed to fit them. They won't, however, sell them to you directly, you need to go through their local agent. So, a little more internet sleuthing needed (because the local agent's markup was more than four times the value of the seal kit). Turns out you can get the seal kits through rockauto.com (just find anything that uses a 6L45/6L80 - I chose a WN Caprice patrol car), and Aliexpress sell the special tools (which are probably copies, but much cheaper, so meh - I'm poor).
So, for anyone who needs it - seal kit here, and special tools here. For a total of $40 NZ, some fluid and a filter (which it was due for anyway) it was worth a shot.
Dropped the fluid and pan, removed the wiring loom plug, modified an external torx head socket to get the valve body retaining screws undone (they look like an external torx, but they're not), and dropped the valve body out on the bench. Separated the solenoid pack from it, and lo and behold - split pressure switch diaphragms!

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This is what they're meant to look like (from the Sonnax instruction booklet):
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Removed the remnants of the old diaphragms carefully with a pick and used the right angle tool to squeeze the new ones into place. The seal installer tool works really well too, I just made sure to lubricate the seal liberally before plunging it home. Here are the remains of the old seals and diaphragms (and a switch plunger):

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Reassembled, refitted, new filter and Penrite LV fluid, and it's happy. It took a couple of hundred KM to re-learn its shift patterns again, but roughly 10000km later it's still fine. I'm calling it a win.
 

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Excellent write up and share, thanks for doing so!

Also brilliant for sharing the tool links etc. Posts like this are why I hope forums never go away, so much useful information can be stored (in contrast to the garbage on Facebook) especially as dealers move away from Holden.

I once found the transmissions a mystery, but the more I’ve researched about it, and realising that the 6L45/50/80/90 are almost all effectively the same minus size, it’s become a lot less so. This post is a good one to keep in the back pocket.
 

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Just thought I'd throw this up here to help out other people with a similar issue, because I couldn't find anything on JC when I looked.
Bought an ex-taxi VFii Calais-V 3.6 a little while ago, that was cheap because it had transmission issues. It took about 3 seconds to engage drive after shifting to D, and when it did, it engaged with a bang. It also had a rough and abrupt shift between 1st and 2nd, and sometimes a flare between 3rd and 4th.
Here it is, doing its best not to look like a Corporate Cab:

View attachment 268569

Looked at the trans fluid condition, and it seemed OK. Service history for the car said it had been changed at the 150km mark, as per Holden schedule. It had around 290km on it, so was due another filter and serving of ATF. The fluid was old, but didn't look burnt or overly discoloured. Suspected something mechanically wrong - a leaking clutch piston maybe, which would explain the slow drive takeup and harsh shifts, as the ECM commands a gear and ramps up commanded pressure until it finds it (with a bang). Given the mileage it had done, it also wouldn't have been surprising for it to have simply worn out a clutch pack. The fluid condition didn't suggest this though.
Because it had spent most of its life so far shuttling politicians to and from the airport in rush hour traffic, the ex-Holden tech at work suggested that it was worth resetting the learned shift values in the trans to see if it made any difference, as a first step. Took it to the local Holden dealer, who charged an hour's labour to reset it (I should really invest in a scan tool), but surprisingly, it came right for about a day until it relearned all the bad habits again. One bonus was that the dealer pulled some fault codes out of it, all of which related to the TEHCM. They then tried to sell me a new valve body for an astronomical sum, lol. The codes were the following:
P0872 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 3 Circuit Low Voltage
P0877 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 4 Circuit Low Voltage
P0989 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 5 Circuit Low Voltage
Now, I'm just a simple diesel mechanic, but even I could see a theme here. After a little Googling, it looked like plenty of Americans with E90 BMWs had the same issues, BMW having bought a load of 6L45s off GM for their US market vehicles (something something local content, I'm guessing). All of their issues related to the diaphragms in the pressure switches splitting, causing the switch not to react to changes in the fluid pressure acting against its diaphragm. Makes sense - ECM commands a solenoid on, and expects to see a change at the corresponding pressure switch. If the fluid pressure has nothing to act against, the switch doesn't change state. ECM is confused, reverts to default value.
Sonnax in the US do a repair kit for the pressure switches, consisting of new plastic diaphragms (or laminate discs) and seals. They also sell the special tools needed to fit them. They won't, however, sell them to you directly, you need to go through their local agent. So, a little more internet sleuthing needed (because the local agent's markup was more than four times the value of the seal kit). Turns out you can get the seal kits through rockauto.com (just find anything that uses a 6L45/6L80 - I chose a WN Caprice patrol car), and Aliexpress sell the special tools (which are probably copies, but much cheaper, so meh - I'm poor).
So, for anyone who needs it - seal kit here, and special tools here. For a total of $40 NZ, some fluid and a filter (which it was due for anyway) it was worth a shot.
Dropped the fluid and pan, removed the wiring loom plug, modified an external torx head socket to get the valve body retaining screws undone (they look like an external torx, but they're not), and dropped the valve body out on the bench. Separated the solenoid pack from it, and lo and behold - split pressure switch diaphragms!

View attachment 268568View attachment 268570

This is what they're meant to look like (from the Sonnax instruction booklet):
View attachment 268572
Removed the remnants of the old diaphragms carefully with a pick and used the right angle tool to squeeze the new ones into place. The seal installer tool works really well too, I just made sure to lubricate the seal liberally before plunging it home. Here are the remains of the old seals and diaphragms (and a switch plunger):

View attachment 268571

Reassembled, refitted, new filter and Penrite LV fluid, and it's happy. It took a couple of hundred KM to re-learn its shift patterns again, but roughly 10000km later it's still fine. I'm calling it a win.
Good write up, l agree.
Well done!

I may do the same with my 6L50?

My 6L50 is flaring changing from 3rd to 4th, going slow.
If l give it a bit of beans, doesn't flare.

I have another trans, l was going to put in, but may just buy these parts, & install on the next trans fluid change?
 

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Just thought I'd throw this up here to help out other people with a similar issue, because I couldn't find anything on JC when I looked.
Bought an ex-taxi VFii Calais-V 3.6 a little while ago, that was cheap because it had transmission issues. It took about 3 seconds to engage drive after shifting to D, and when it did, it engaged with a bang. It also had a rough and abrupt shift between 1st and 2nd, and sometimes a flare between 3rd and 4th.
Here it is, doing its best not to look like a Corporate Cab:

View attachment 268569

Looked at the trans fluid condition, and it seemed OK. Service history for the car said it had been changed at the 150km mark, as per Holden schedule. It had around 290km on it, so was due another filter and serving of ATF. The fluid was old, but didn't look burnt or overly discoloured. Suspected something mechanically wrong - a leaking clutch piston maybe, which would explain the slow drive takeup and harsh shifts, as the ECM commands a gear and ramps up commanded pressure until it finds it (with a bang). Given the mileage it had done, it also wouldn't have been surprising for it to have simply worn out a clutch pack. The fluid condition didn't suggest this though.
Because it had spent most of its life so far shuttling politicians to and from the airport in rush hour traffic, the ex-Holden tech at work suggested that it was worth resetting the learned shift values in the trans to see if it made any difference, as a first step. Took it to the local Holden dealer, who charged an hour's labour to reset it (I should really invest in a scan tool), but surprisingly, it came right for about a day until it relearned all the bad habits again. One bonus was that the dealer pulled some fault codes out of it, all of which related to the TEHCM. They then tried to sell me a new valve body for an astronomical sum, lol. The codes were the following:
P0872 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 3 Circuit Low Voltage
P0877 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 4 Circuit Low Voltage
P0989 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 5 Circuit Low Voltage
Now, I'm just a simple diesel mechanic, but even I could see a theme here. After a little Googling, it looked like plenty of Americans with E90 BMWs had the same issues, BMW having bought a load of 6L45s off GM for their US market vehicles (something something local content, I'm guessing). All of their issues related to the diaphragms in the pressure switches splitting, causing the switch not to react to changes in the fluid pressure acting against its diaphragm. Makes sense - ECM commands a solenoid on, and expects to see a change at the corresponding pressure switch. If the fluid pressure has nothing to act against, the switch doesn't change state. ECM is confused, reverts to default value.
Sonnax in the US do a repair kit for the pressure switches, consisting of new plastic diaphragms (or laminate discs) and seals. They also sell the special tools needed to fit them. They won't, however, sell them to you directly, you need to go through their local agent. So, a little more internet sleuthing needed (because the local agent's markup was more than four times the value of the seal kit). Turns out you can get the seal kits through rockauto.com (just find anything that uses a 6L45/6L80 - I chose a WN Caprice patrol car), and Aliexpress sell the special tools (which are probably copies, but much cheaper, so meh - I'm poor).
So, for anyone who needs it - seal kit here, and special tools here. For a total of $40 NZ, some fluid and a filter (which it was due for anyway) it was worth a shot.
Dropped the fluid and pan, removed the wiring loom plug, modified an external torx head socket to get the valve body retaining screws undone (they look like an external torx, but they're not), and dropped the valve body out on the bench. Separated the solenoid pack from it, and lo and behold - split pressure switch diaphragms!

View attachment 268568View attachment 268570

This is what they're meant to look like (from the Sonnax instruction booklet):
View attachment 268572
Removed the remnants of the old diaphragms carefully with a pick and used the right angle tool to squeeze the new ones into place. The seal installer tool works really well too, I just made sure to lubricate the seal liberally before plunging it home. Here are the remains of the old seals and diaphragms (and a switch plunger):

View attachment 268571

Reassembled, refitted, new filter and Penrite LV fluid, and it's happy. It took a couple of hundred KM to re-learn its shift patterns again, but roughly 10000km later it's still fine. I'm calling it a win.
Hi. I’m desperate for your insight. I had this issue this time last year. Same issue as yours in the 4th gear, got the fluid and filter replaced in a service, no change. Took it to an auto trans guy reset the computer, was fine for a few days and back again just like yours. Took it back, he replaced either the whole switch/solenoid thing or just the diaphragm and the problem was gone . A solid 2 months later the same feeling would occur in the lower gears, took it back and he changed the diaphragms in the rest of those switch thing's, remarking these ones looked fine, unlike the other ones, reset the computer and had me on my way. Days later the feeling was back in those gears. I should mention the 4th gear which was my original issue is still fixed, perfect, it’s the lower gears now. It has a flare that kinda reminds me of clutch slipping in a manual and it’s also just not seamless like the other gears. I do notice it feels different under different acceleration too. What can you suggest I look at next? I have been living with transmission issues for a year and it’s making me hate my car VF-II, 3.6L, Calais-V, 128k km. I’ve had my car serviced twice by two places since and I ask them to test drive it to look for this issue for their opinion… their response is “no fault found, drives as expected” … I guarantee they test drive it after the service and they have reset the computer and sure enough the rest of that day it drives perfectly fine… it makes me feel I’m being gaslit at this point. I just need some advice on what I should ask for or things I should get replaced next visit. Aside from spending $4-8k on a new gearbox.
 

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My 6L50 is flaring changing from 3rd to 4th, going slow.
If l give it a bit of beans, doesn't flare.
My 6L50 doesn't seem to be flaring lately?
I was changing my battery out every 3 - 4 months, don't drive the car enough to fully charge the battery.
So, change the battery over & put it on a charger.
The charger goes up to 8 bars, it will get to 7 over night, but take 12 days to get fully to the 8 bars.

Anyway l have 12 volt impact driver battery that l connect to the car battery, before disconnecting the the car battery. It saves all the settings on motor h/u & trans. This is the only thing l can think of why its not flaring?
 

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Just thought I'd throw this up here to help out other people with a similar issue, because I couldn't find anything on JC when I looked.
Bought an ex-taxi VFii Calais-V 3.6 a little while ago, that was cheap because it had transmission issues. It took about 3 seconds to engage drive after shifting to D, and when it did, it engaged with a bang. It also had a rough and abrupt shift between 1st and 2nd, and sometimes a flare between 3rd and 4th.
Here it is, doing its best not to look like a Corporate Cab:

View attachment 268569

Looked at the trans fluid condition, and it seemed OK. Service history for the car said it had been changed at the 150km mark, as per Holden schedule. It had around 290km on it, so was due another filter and serving of ATF. The fluid was old, but didn't look burnt or overly discoloured. Suspected something mechanically wrong - a leaking clutch piston maybe, which would explain the slow drive takeup and harsh shifts, as the ECM commands a gear and ramps up commanded pressure until it finds it (with a bang). Given the mileage it had done, it also wouldn't have been surprising for it to have simply worn out a clutch pack. The fluid condition didn't suggest this though.
Because it had spent most of its life so far shuttling politicians to and from the airport in rush hour traffic, the ex-Holden tech at work suggested that it was worth resetting the learned shift values in the trans to see if it made any difference, as a first step. Took it to the local Holden dealer, who charged an hour's labour to reset it (I should really invest in a scan tool), but surprisingly, it came right for about a day until it relearned all the bad habits again. One bonus was that the dealer pulled some fault codes out of it, all of which related to the TEHCM. They then tried to sell me a new valve body for an astronomical sum, lol. The codes were the following:
P0872 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 3 Circuit Low Voltage
P0877 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 4 Circuit Low Voltage
P0989 - Transmission Fluid Pressure Switch 5 Circuit Low Voltage
Now, I'm just a simple diesel mechanic, but even I could see a theme here. After a little Googling, it looked like plenty of Americans with E90 BMWs had the same issues, BMW having bought a load of 6L45s off GM for their US market vehicles (something something local content, I'm guessing). All of their issues related to the diaphragms in the pressure switches splitting, causing the switch not to react to changes in the fluid pressure acting against its diaphragm. Makes sense - ECM commands a solenoid on, and expects to see a change at the corresponding pressure switch. If the fluid pressure has nothing to act against, the switch doesn't change state. ECM is confused, reverts to default value.
Sonnax in the US do a repair kit for the pressure switches, consisting of new plastic diaphragms (or laminate discs) and seals. They also sell the special tools needed to fit them. They won't, however, sell them to you directly, you need to go through their local agent. So, a little more internet sleuthing needed (because the local agent's markup was more than four times the value of the seal kit). Turns out you can get the seal kits through rockauto.com (just find anything that uses a 6L45/6L80 - I chose a WN Caprice patrol car), and Aliexpress sell the special tools (which are probably copies, but much cheaper, so meh - I'm poor).
So, for anyone who needs it - seal kit here, and special tools here. For a total of $40 NZ, some fluid and a filter (which it was due for anyway) it was worth a shot.
Dropped the fluid and pan, removed the wiring loom plug, modified an external torx head socket to get the valve body retaining screws undone (they look like an external torx, but they're not), and dropped the valve body out on the bench. Separated the solenoid pack from it, and lo and behold - split pressure switch diaphragms!

View attachment 268568View attachment 268570

This is what they're meant to look like (from the Sonnax instruction booklet):
View attachment 268572
Removed the remnants of the old diaphragms carefully with a pick and used the right angle tool to squeeze the new ones into place. The seal installer tool works really well too, I just made sure to lubricate the seal liberally before plunging it home. Here are the remains of the old seals and diaphragms (and a switch plunger):

View attachment 268571

Reassembled, refitted, new filter and Penrite LV fluid, and it's happy. It took a couple of hundred KM to re-learn its shift patterns again, but roughly 10000km later it's still fine. I'm calling it a win.
Hows the trans going? Hopefully still good?
 

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Hi. I’m desperate for your insight. I had this issue this time last year. Same issue as yours in the 4th gear, got the fluid and filter replaced in a service, no change. Took it to an auto trans guy reset the computer, was fine for a few days and back again just like yours. Took it back, he replaced either the whole switch/solenoid thing or just the diaphragm and the problem was gone . A solid 2 months later the same feeling would occur in the lower gears, took it back and he changed the diaphragms in the rest of those switch thing's, remarking these ones looked fine, unlike the other ones, reset the computer and had me on my way. Days later the feeling was back in those gears. I should mention the 4th gear which was my original issue is still fixed, perfect, it’s the lower gears now. It has a flare that kinda reminds me of clutch slipping in a manual and it’s also just not seamless like the other gears. I do notice it feels different under different acceleration too. What can you suggest I look at next? I have been living with transmission issues for a year and it’s making me hate my car VF-II, 3.6L, Calais-V, 128k km. I’ve had my car serviced twice by two places since and I ask them to test drive it to look for this issue for their opinion… their response is “no fault found, drives as expected” … I guarantee they test drive it after the service and they have reset the computer and sure enough the rest of that day it drives perfectly fine… it makes me feel I’m being gaslit at this point. I just need some advice on what I should ask for or things I should get replaced next visit. Aside from spending $4-8k on a new gearbox.
Hmm. The fact you can reset the learned values and it behaves itself for a bit suggests something electrically wrong, rather than something mechanical (I'm counting the switch diaphragm fault as electrical). Slipping or flaring suggests low or delayed pressure input into whichever clutch pack(s) are used for 4th range (I should check the service manual, but it's 11,000 pages and my pdf reader screams for mercy every time I try and open it), but the fact it's only this ratio and not permanent says to me it's not a blocked oil passage/leaking clutch piston/worn clutch pack - it's more likely that something is giving a false (or no) reading, causing the TCM to be overly cautious about how it applies pressure in that range (because adaptive shift patterns are intended to learn your driving behaviours/compensate for wear). I could be wrong though.
The best advice I can give is to get the transmission guy to tell you what fault codes it has recorded in the TCM (before they clear them and the learned values), and go from there - see if you can build a pattern.

One thing I forgot to mention in the initial post is that Sonnax were also insistent in the instruction booklet about checking the switches electrically as well as physically while the TEHCM is on the bench, so check resistances with a multimeter and open and close the switch. Apparently a plastic switch submerged in oil that's being constantly heat cycled is prone to failure. Who knew?
 
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Hows the trans going? Hopefully still good?
Still good, 12,000km later. Has an odd whining/growling noise at takeoff in 1st and halfway through 2nd (which makes me wonder if it's torque converter lockup related) that I haven't managed to figure out, but it's intermittent and not getting worse, so I haven't worried too much about it. Have heard other VE/VFs do it too, although not as bad. Don't think it's related to this, anyway.

As for the battery thing, I was told that the shift learned values aren't cleared if you disconnect the battery (because I would have just done this rather than being wounded by the Holden dealer for clearing it lol). Good to know it's behaving itself at the moment though!
 
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Good to see someone getting elbows deep in tranny fluid. Do you have more pics of the whole valve body zoomed out further?
So that kit fits the 6L45/50/80 ? That's good to know.
 
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