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Discussion in 'ZB Holden Commodore (2018)' started by wetwork65, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. StrayKiwi

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    Reminds me of the Steve Jobs interview about having Marketing/Sales people running companies over Product people. More than 30 years old but is as true now as it ever was.
     
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    Something interesting........
    My folks are looking at new cars and a ZB Calais V is one of the ones they're considering.
    Some how NRMA consider $45,800 as market value for a new 2018 ZB Calais V tourer.......?? Nearly 13k less than sale price.
    The only way to get cover up to the actual sale price of the the car is to completely max out the agreed value which puts the premium up to a silly price.
    All the other cars they've got quotes for, the market value has been very close to sale price.....

    Edit**** $45800 was the avg agreed price not market. Makes more sense now.
     
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    immortality Home of the smoky breakfast Bacon! Staff Member

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    Some great comments in the last few posts, I wonder when the new official Holden user will pipe up....
     
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    "Holden has already stated its intention to move with the times and become an SUV-focused brand."

    Holden came in late to the SUV game and is now putting most of its eggs in that basket. The SUV bubble is bound to burst and it'll have nothing to fall back on. The car game is fickle, and I guarantee other manufacturers are investigating the future 'next big thing'. I hope GM is too.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    8 days without a post, followed by 25 pages of comments.

    Neat.

    Holden really wasn't too late getting on the SUV wagon, they took too long remaining competive in that market. Two different Captiva were released in late 2006, which was reasonably timely. Unfortunately, poor quality and reliability undermined the cars early. Repeated facelifts meant that in 2019, they were still trying to sell a very old design with a very poor reputation. Just typical of poor GM, rather than Holden, management and product planning.
     
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    Selling ZB's at six times the rate of the Kia Stinger is quite an achievement. Obviously plenty of other Kiwi's rate the ZB over the Stinger too.
     
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    wetwork65 A wet business

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    Was that a good or a bad thing? Most companies are run by Accountants.
    Apple products are of little interest to me anyway, overpriced and overstyled. Talk about lifestyle.....
     
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    My point and his was that a company lives and dies by the quality of it's products, not how awesome the marketing campaign is. I totally agree with your original point about the lack of substance in that old Commodore commercial. Did it really matter than the Commodore had Radial Tuned Suspension?
     
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    Yes it did. It was far more important than connectivity, crowd surfing at a concert, arriving somewhere, and beating a goat up a mountain.
     
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    Isn't the zb a cop car in NZ, have to be a lot of them in the zb sales
     
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    Like EV's? While Holden came out with the Volt, it looks like Holden (and Ford?) are the only mainstream car companies in Aust that doesn't have something available at the moment. And I can't see that changing in the near future with GM's reluctance to develop RHD vehicles.
     
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    I think the old had had far more substance than the current offerings.

    Do the new ads even tell anyone what features the car has ?

    And as to RTS, at the time, it was a great leap forward so well worth promoting the handling advantages of the car.
     
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    No, but it does show one of those SUV thingys has a huge amount of understeer...
     
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    It's the insidious way car companies are trying to slow us down by making us all drive 2.5ton tanks that don't handle...
     
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    Indeed, coz it's only speed that kills, not 2.5 tonne tanks careering off the road or into others that is the problem.
     
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    Yes but when looking at the Stinger I was offered one of ten coming back from a rental company and was told they were releasing only part of their fleet after the peak summer period. Obviously a lot of Stingers were sold at heavily discounted level's to rental car firms.
     
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    Was on carsales the other day. I cannot fathom the depreciation on the ZB. New, the RSV wagons are 55k retail and second hand 2018's with under 10k on the clock they are already in the low 30's. That is insane.
     
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    Insane but maybe an economical second hand buy. Although maybe not if the price keeps dropping until it hits zero.
     
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    Two things. Its clear nobody is paying anything like retail price and to be frank the only people that ever do are those silly enough to rush into a dealership and buy a brand new model as soon as it is released just to impress their neighbours.

    I got 16% off the recommend retail on my brand new ZB Calais V and I am a one man band running a small business with one car so this is NOT a fleet discount.

    Same discount level suggests a new RSV wagon has a true RETAIL of $46K, (less if you are buying a bunch of them for a fleet) and most cars depreciate 30% in the first year (so low $30's looks about right to me for a 2018 vehicle) and thereafter generally cars depreciate at about 10% per annum...that's simply a fact of life of how the vehicle market works.

    Same thing is happening in N.Z. I think the true value of a one year old VXR after a good haggle is about $47,000, more than $20,000 below the recommended retail of $67,995 + on roads and I think its a real bargain at that price.

    The average punter, (in my opinion) is best to simply buy a one year old car and avoid the first year depreciation beating and avoid the hassle of having to discover what the real retail price is.
     
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    Ya notice the so called 2nd hand zbs on carsales are mostly at holden dealers? So are they trade ins? And ifso what would they have been traded on? More like they are unsold new stock been used as demo/ loan cars.
     
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