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Discussion in 'ZB Holden Commodore (2018)' started by wetwork65, Jan 9, 2019.

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    $29,990 is the bargain of the century for what is a very good car. A demo RS costs nothing like a VF2 Redline did (he says very carefully to avoid stepping on anyone's ego).
     
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    Just got home from a 1200km round trip to Wellington. A completely non scientific survey of SH1 between Hamilton and Wellington revealed the grand total of 8 ZB Commodores spotted, of which 5 were Police cars. By comparison I saw more Tesla's. As for VF2 and older, far too many to count. Saw a '96 HSV GTS-R at the side of the road for sale in Taupo and a '17 GTS-R W1 on the road south of Otaki. A non scientific conclusion I'd draw is that most of the ZBs in NZ are fleet vehicles.
     
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    And most of em in Aus are demos
     
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    Price ?
     
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    Driving around Auckland I get quite a different impression of how many are around and I am not just talking police vehicles.
    Other observations this week. Rear seat passengers also commented about how really toasty warm the seat heaters are.
    Carried my first full load of 5 passengers this week. Seemed to manage very well on the hills despite the V6 not being an especially torquey motor.
    I think full credit to the 9 speed auto which ensures the car is always in the right gear for the job at hand and mostly with gear changes that are so smooth as to be almost impeccable. 4WD is really starting to prove its worth in the rain.
     
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    Still not common though, I see a few but the same few and cop cars.
     
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    Could it be possible over perhaps 15 hours of driving that you lost count / focus by concentrating on, oh I dunno ?, something like driving ? on more than one occasion ?
     
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    It was on the other side of the road and only FOR SALE was readable.
     
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    I did say it was unscientific and being such a low volume I remember what the colours were (1 red, 3 white, 2 silver and 2 grey). I may well have missed some but the missus was also looking (not that she can tell cars apart). Strangely enough the traffic was fairly light in both directions. This coming weekend might be the reason why...
     
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    They sold 1366 ZB's in all of NZ in 12 months. Why is it hard to believe he saw sweet F all of them on the drive?
     
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    Whats with all these new accounts?
     
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    When looking front on the ZB most resembles the new Subaru Liberty/Legacy. I had a couple of double takes during my trip before I realized the oncoming car wasn't a ZB. They have similar two section black grills with a chrome strip with a central roundish logo badge. The new Mazda grill looks quite different (and most of them are that awesome metallic red - pity the rest of the car isn't as good).
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    I saw more ZBs yesterday than during the past year, mostly RSs.
    Must have been over 20 in the rental car lot at local airport.
     
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    LOL give that man a cookie :)
    Probably just the well known confirmation bias I am suffering from. When you own one you look for them and when you see one or two you start thinking they're all over the place lol. I'm fine with it not being an especially common occurrence, seeing one, and know its a very good car for the money.
     
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    Low sales are a reflection of market shift not the quality or style of the vehicle.
    If the VXR had the Stinger motor in it for it's 62K asking price, i would buy one.
     
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    Stinger is a very "boostie" engine. Has nothing off boost and then the light switch transition to boost. Rear tyres aren't going to last long so if that's your thing then buy one.
    272 kw's v 235 kw's in not much when you also factor in the Stinger weigh's about 100 kg's more and comes with a very average 8 speed auto.
    I also think the chassis in the Holden is a LOT better.
     
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    Going back to ZB sales in Australia / NZ, I go as far as saying all of them are Fleet Sales as Private Sales are all heading towards SUV's.
     
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    I didn't say I wanted to buy a Stinger. I said I would by a VXR if it had the stinger engine in it. Or something similar.
    You didn't like how it drives, but the dozens of reviews online by owners and media seem to love it.
    275 vs 235 kw and heavier and yet nearly 2 seconds quicker to 100 in real world tests. That's what people buying a performance car want..... a 5 second car with some wank factor.
    I just feel the VXR is a waste of potential. It has everything in the recipe for a great sports car except the engine.
     
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    And I've driven a V6 RS, I'm in no way saying the V6 in the ZB is ****. It was a great drive. Plenty of power and felt more lively than the VF 3.6.
    I'm just saying the flagship sports variant should be better
     
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    Well regarded N.Z. Autocar got 5.2 seconds for the Stinger see here https://www.autocar.co.nz/car-revie...archID=4140882&ObjectID=7195492&ObjectType=35
    and 6.18 for the VXR, here https://www.autocar.co.nz/car-revie...archID=4140876&ObjectID=7517680&ObjectType=35. Just saying they see less than a second in it and I am happy to take their word for it as that's how it feels to me...but there's much more to a car than 0-100 in my opinion but each to their own. 235 kw's with that excellent 9 speed auto and the lighter weight, great handling and torque vectoring works well as far as I'm concerned but I'm late 50's and don't feel the need to shred tyres anymore, done enough of that in my lifetime already lol
    I guess you could say I don't need the Wank factor anymore but I can see that younger guys might still want to fry tyres and might get excited by 272 kw's.
     
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