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91 VN dash - no lights and beeping + bad revs

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    91 VN dash - REPLACED DASH no lights - PLZ HELP UPDATED

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    hi all
    i had a problem with the heater control which turned out to be trivial tube issue, but upon putting everything in the dash back, i accidenty shorted two wires from the cluster
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    but i had them resolded, but now the dash cluster lights won't light up (ie, hand brake, etc) only the PRESS REMOTE and low oil light up

    plus every minute the hand brake warning beep comes on
    plus fuel gauge doesn't move
    car revs to 1000 instead of 750 as before
    bad fuel smell

    i'm thinking maybe the dash cluster is fuked? but the two wires were resolded
    perhaps the ecu is disconnected somehow?

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    please help guys!
     
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    Thats the 4th plug wire for the trip computer (ecu). And yep the cluster may well be very ....well second hand. The alarms are going off because of no signal - probable. more shorts I'd say.
     
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    really?
    what should i do about it?
    i'm guessing resolding won't help?
     
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    Without the multi meter and sparky no how.. Could be hard work. You could try a new cluster from the wreckers. But I'd say thats not your prefered option. I'm not a sparky but have read a few theads about beeps and cluster wire diagrams. You'll need to trace out the faulty component wiring by following the printouts on the back of the cluster eg fuel gauge... Connector 1,2,3,4. Good luck - and some one with more info may be able to help
     
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    thanks heaps 88greenVN
    well, if a dash will fix it all, then i'll get a new second hand one
    but the only problems i can see with it is the 2 wires, and possibly a lose connection with the ECU somewhere

    anyone selling a calias dash? :D
    anyone else help?
     
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    What happened to melt the wires in the first place.. Have you got some thing else melted. Fuses. wire to the hand brake.
     
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    tried to start the car and connect teh dash. fitted the wires into the back, and next thing i know, smoke from the back

    taht burnt section had touched teh bare metal from the steering wheel
    fortunetly, its only a small section, but DAMN, it's causing me alot of ****!

    anyone please help?
     
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    Do you mean you had the dash half out with the plus in and tryed to start the car? As it sounds to me this could be bad for the cluster. But it may have fried other things too. Putting another cluster in may result in more smoke of the bad type. A sparky may be the only way to go.
     
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    yeh i had it half out when i did this, but i didn't start the car, just turned the ignition to "II" (before ignition)

    everything else seems to work (ie. the modes)
    what could ahve gone wrong?
    what's a sparky?
     
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    Sparky = auto electrian
     
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    The fuel gauge could be cooked and the hand brake warning could mean something electrical cooked there aswell.
     
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    oh okay
    well, i read on this forum that theres a speedo place close to me
    Ringwood Speedometer service
    think it's worth taking down to get it checked, or is it just gonna fry it again like u say?

    could it be the yellow wire to the ecu?? (as i've heard?)
     
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    how come everything cooked so easily? what about the fuse box and fuses?!?!?

    does this mean the cluster is out and i'll need a new one?? :(
     
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    The cluster has the printed wires - thin copper tracks - (blue backing on the cluster as in your pics) and when you got the smoke it was putting power to a few things via dead short. You have involved the fuel gauge at this point if you inspect the blue backing of the cluster some more of this may be damaged. The fuel gauge may be damaged inside the cluster OR not getting power anymore.

    When you have a short like you have it pays to pull all the fuses and inspect as they may have been stressed too.
     
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    thansk again 99greenvn
    if only u were in vic, i'd ask to bring it over to get it checked out :D

    but yeh, i've checked it, and other than where it's burnt, there aren't any other damages.
    i'll look at hte fuses, but i'm guessing that the dash is fuked and no good anymore?
     
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    checked all the fuses, and their all intact
    still doesn't light up any except the PRESS REMOTE and oil low
    but modes lights up

    engine still runs at 1000 rpm
    anyone? please? help?

    if anyone in vic is willing to help me, i'll pay for the troubles....
     
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    UPDATE
    tried driving to a mech today
    stopped for some oil, and it wouldn't start up again
    made clicking noise, so went home and got jumpers and fuel can, filled up 20 L and it started with aid of jumpers

    drove 100 m and it just died again, had to jump again
    this happened about 4 times going about 1 km
    finally got home, and batteries just dead

    PLEASE! CAN ANYONE HELP?!?!?
    i'm really desperate now!
     
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    Sounds sick. Alternator could be dead or the regulator bit. You could have some more melted wires in the loom. Sorry but it sounds like you need a mobile electrician as your car maybe past the point of this forum. Shane.
     
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