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AFM L76 lifter rattle when cold WTF?

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by OldDog, Jun 15, 2010.

  1. OldDog

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    Evenin All! Well i have about 7000 kms on the beast now and just noticed the other day that i get a lifter rattle like sound from the engine when starting it up from cold. It only does it on the first start up of the day and it only lasts maybe 20 seconds and i don't hear it again all day. A mate has an 09 non-AFM VE and he reckons his does it too. So whats going on? Do the rest of you have this issue as well?
    Cheers
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    Sure it's lifter rattle? Mine had a power steering pulley that was out of alignment and was whipping something around against the serpentine belt. Had the pulley replaced and no more dramas - thing is, it sounded metallic rather than belt - confused the hell out of me! But like you said - only happened from cold start and stopped quickly as soon as there was any heat in it.
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    Sounds like it's just the oil taking a few seconds to pump up to the top of the engine. Doesn't sound like anything to worry about.
     
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    Same same re my 08 SSV...cold start, some form of rattle for about 10sec then fine afterwards. Sound appears to come from left hand side of car, but you never know. Appears to be a common issue with the VE V8's from other posts I've seen.
     
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    pjdm1980 Shut up Jr I'm thinkin!

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    I know when my old VH 5Ltr use to rattle on start up the guy at mechanic told me that it could be either a dodgy oil filter and it could be letting the oil run back through the filter during the night or to try a small filter not sure if this info can be translated to newer engines but i replaced the filter and oil and knock went away on start up.
     
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    Yuh VE sounds just like yours only not as harsh, and it takes probably 30 seconds after start up for it to start rattling. This is why i wasn't 100% sure it was a lifetr as usually they start rattling right after startup. I'm gonna look further and see if its something like what Tinsnips is saying, if it ain't then its the long drive to the Holden dealers for conversation. I just don't want to hear the old "they all do that" or "it didn't do it while we had it" blah blah blah.
    Thanks for the replies guys
    OD
     
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    what sort of filter is on it not a ryco is it
     
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    Couldn't say, it hasn't had an oil change yet so its what ever holden fits from new. Whats wrong with Ryco, i thought they were a good brand?
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    theres been lots of problems with ryco of late with oil drianing back out past the antidrain back valve it has been turning round on itself and not sealing ive had 2 do it myself we wondered why when we did an oil change no oil was in the filter it had all drained back to the sump so on startup theres no oil till the pump fills and the filter and all the engine i no longer use ryco :D
     
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    Mate, if it does turn out to be the power steer pulley then it's an easy enough fix. Had my car back a couple of times to have it adjusted before finally getting it replaced. Problem is that as soon as there's any heat in it, the noise stops. So there was no way to check of the adjustments had worked until the next morning. No dramas since it was replaced though (early days though... Just in a week now). The noise was coming from the very front of the motor but I couldn't pinpoint which pulley as it seemed to vary. Didn't sound like it was in time with the motor but did increase with revs. I'd describe it as a crackling noise.

    Hope its that or similar rather than a rebuild.

    Good luck mate.
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong. But putting an anti-drain back oil filter on the L98 or L76 engine in the VE wont be of any benifit as the filter sits at the bottom of the engine (where the sump is) and remains full of engine oil when the car is turned off. Unlike other engines where the oil filter screws on the side of the block allowing oil to drain out and back to the sump.

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    I had the same issue with my 09 auto SS and I found that the dealership didn't actually change my engine oil when I put in for it's 15,000km service, so 22,000kms on the oil that came with the car, no wonder i had a ticking sound, changed the oil and it went away, started coming back after 7,000km and changed the oil again at 7,500km and it was gone again, looks like it likes to have fresh oil in it at the 7,500km service interval
     
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    Interesting, i'll take it too the dealer and see if changing the oil fixes it, the car has 8500 kms on it at the moment. Its definetly a rattle in the engine rather than a pulley noise :(
     
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    Evenin everyone. Thought i'd update this thread on where i'm at with getting the lifter noise resolved.
    There was a lot of discussion on this other thread http://forums.justcommodores.com.au...938-warranty-claim-am-i-being-reasonable.html
    but as the title doesn't really reflect what the problem is i thought i'd update one this instead. That other thread also includes the sound recordings i've made of the noise by the way.

    So, i've taken the car back down to the dealer yesterday and left the car with them overnight. This morning the TAC engineer was in and we started the car up so he could listen to it, his first comment was .....sounds like a stuffed lifter. FINALLY! An admission that it actually has a rattling lifter! The tech started fiddling around, all the while the lifter is rattling like mad, suddenly the sound vanishes. He'd removed the wire to the number 3 coil, releaving some pressure on that cylinder (he's explained). The engineer says that as we've isolated the fault to the number 3 cylinder lifters that only those 2 lifters will be replaced.........WTF? After a lot of stuffing around on the service managers part TAC have since agreed to replace ALL the lifters.

    So a big heads up guys, keep an ear out on the AFM lifters, there may be a fault. Be prepared to do some fighting to get your dealer to accept the fault. To get this repaired will have taken me 8 months!

    Also big props to the service manager Brian at Golden West Holden for helping out so much, i was getting nowhere til this guy got involved. I'll update this thread again once i have the work done, i'm expecting it done in a few weeks time.

    Cheers
    OD
     
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    A bit off topic, is this the same Old Dog as on the ADV forums?
     
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    Uh oh, i've been found out! Yes its me alright!
     
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    No.3 isn't an AFM cylinder.....so what are they saying????.....That the normal lifters are faulty too???
     
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    Well, finally got the lifters replaced ( they changed their mind to it being the No 2 lifter Spanks, hope thats right? ) and guess what?......It still rattles! The rattling has been reduced back to the level of noise / persistancy it was making back at 7000kms. I will once again start the process of complaining to the dealer and i'm sure in another 14000kms they will do something about it. Of course i could just sell the POS and buy something foreign. In over 30 years of car ownership i've always had Holdens, never ever again will i buy a new one.
     
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    believe me, mate - I know the feeling all too well. 4 gearboxes on and little to no improvement. Have been considering exactly the same course of action also.

    I really hope things turn around for you mate, and they find the problem. Best of luck
     

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