If we assume that Holden is abandoning the V8 market as it appears they are and if we assume their 'Commodore' is now focused only on the mid-large value and luxury sedan market - what are the alternative/competing cars? Whats the alternative for the person who wants a good value bang for buck sedan? Whats the alternative for the person who wants a luxury/saloon sedan? How do their price points compare to the ZB for each alternative? It is just a Mazda and a Toyota? Or is there more? I'll be in the market to replace my current V6 commodore in the next year so I wanted to hear your guys thoughts.