Well I haven't spent a lot of time nutting out every detail but I'm sure the problems can be over come. Every crim knows banks and ATM's store a lot of $$$ yet attempted bank robberies are virtually non existent these days. Even successful robberies of unattended ATM's is very rare. I'm sure with a bit of thought the obstacles can be overcome. Hahaha that's the biggest flaw with most systems! You don't see that by your own admission there are some (many?? who knows the number) that shouldn't have licenses as further evidence that firearms should not be in the community?? Now compare that to USA where there are no psych tests (that I know of, maybe some states do???) and it's no wonder that these events are getting to be a near monthly event . Eh? What do I hate to admit? The threat of Indonesia??? Are you saying the only reason they haven't invaded us is because of our firearm laws that allows some guns in the community??? Seriously, if Australia were relying on the population drawing arms and defending our selves as some sort of molitia force, then yes I'd be very worried. Reaper
I fail to see how it takes someone 9 months to acquire a firearm legally. Provided there is no issues with a genuine reason (unlikely) and police check (totally up to the individual, if you're not a violent criminal in the major crimes database pure fine) it takes 28 days after the day of license submission to be approved. On the day of approval you can submit a PTA (permit to aquire) which takes another 28 days. Once the PTA is approved you have another 28 days in which to pick up your firearm and if you don't your PTA is considered void. I have no idea where this 'go to the cop shop to register a gun' comes from, the firearms registery in our state and a dealer sorts that out by submitting the appropriate paperwork. I know this as I've recently gone through the process (as recent as the last 4 months) and every single person I know with guns has done the same thing within the same amount of time (give or take a few days). You can't have researched your points too hard considering how wrong you are.
[video=youtube_share;Db0Y4qIZ4PA]http://youtu.be/Db0Y4qIZ4PA[/video] He has a point, Bullet control might work
Hmmmmm, are you now going to play the race game? or is it going to be the religion game? I can't see any good reason for this question unless you are going to play either one because Indonesia relies on us way to much to consider invading.
got a license? no ? shutup. Go and try and get one I know the length it takes to get one here and qld, I know because on a daily basis I have to help people get one. Just because its written down doesnt mean its going to go down like that, i've never seen anyone in SA be issued their license within the first 3 months of after being told its been approved. Qld the same.
dont mean to split hairs but kmart got rid of all guns and ammo in 2001, your thinking of walmart. the columbine 9mm rounds came from kmart. michael moore pressed up on them and they didnt want bad publicity so they phased all of it out...
Da fuq?? Not only did you make ridiculous claims you also didn't read what I wrote. The only reason a license should be delayed is by errors on behalf of the applicant such as criminal history, missing paperwork or incomplete applications. If the 9 months you claim is the average there must be a **** load of people who take over a year or more to bring that average up.
A few people on here seem to think that if all guns were banned then mass killing would not happen. Here is the proof that people will find another type of weapon for mass killing if they cant get guns. Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China - World News I think a few people here are getting a little bit hot under the collar and are not thinking things through properly.
Banning all firearms won't do anything. It's about keeping them out of the hands of those who will misuse them. I'm actually pretty surprised at how easy it is to get a license here. Got a mate with a property? There's your reasonable excuse to own as many long arms as you like. Plus there's no follow up application, once you've got it they don't check to see if you still need it once it expires. Whilst out gun laws are tight and seem to work, it's still too easy to get one in my opinion.
Adelaide mum Sam Paior plans toy gun 'buy-back' after Sandy Hook shootings in Connecticut | News.com.au Some people are just retarded. I mean really..... [video=youtube_share;iMXScRvd0Zs]http://youtu.be/iMXScRvd0Zs[/video]
Go have a meeting with firearms branch..... what they say on official forms / public announcements is very different to when you get a tour of the office. They arent 'incompetent' they are deliberately misleading...... as they joke the reason why the application for firearms licensing is so over the top is they hope most people read it, freak out and dont apply, or if they do put the wrong things down and not get approved. And right now your going hey IQ test for idiots....... when I did my application.... i wrote down everything that seemed logical on it, took it to my lawyer for proof reading and got told if I applied how it seemed appropriate i'd have to do a tafe course, and get a pistol license that conflicted with the purpose of use I needed. Our laws are over the top..... I see why they are in place.... but at the end of the day i'd have no problem opening it up to SELECTED auto's and higher magazine allowances, the tradeoff? I want psych tests when applying for licenses and BETTER training for all state police authorities. America will make a huge huff puff, maybe ban high power auto's again like they did 10 years ago. What this whole thing really points out isnt gun control..... would you all be saying this if he had bought a screw driver from bunnings and attacked a police officer and took their firearms? oh wait a similar thing happened here a week ago. What this is really highlighting is mental health, this guy was high risk and looking at his public profile and what was known about him he should have had a checkup.
Who exactly? Most people's point is that removing a tool for killing that has no other useful purpose in the community will greatly diminish the risk of such tragedies. I don't know of anybody naive enough to think that *all* of them will be stopped. Reaper
Reaper..... you've gone from calling it a weapon to a tool. Yet you've been telling us tools have nothing to do with this when I use the screwdriver example.... And you keep saying this tool has no other purpose. So have you looked into sporting target shooting, metallic silhouette, hunting for conservation? It's a very useful tool with good purposes.
Don't think I actually ever referred to it as a weapon. Maybe I did, don't remember, but meh. who ####ing cares??? Goes to the purpose of the item being manufactured. Your continual lack of understanding of this very simple fact is a worry in itself. Correct. There is no reason for the public to posses a firearm/gun/weapon/whatever you want to call it in the general community. Primary purpose of a screwdriver: undo/do up screws, open paint cans. Purpose of a gun: to shoot stuff (can't think of anything else - maybe stir paint with the barrel of a shotgun???) I have made it very clear that I'm fine with sporting shooters continuing their sport. None of that should occur in general suburbia though. As somebody pointed out (might even have been you - cbf'ed checking), most of the clubs etc are in rural areas due to both legal reasons and necessity. Reaper
You're preaching to the wrong crowd made, this is an Australian forum with mainly Australians browsing it, your little message isn't going to get very far. I am disgusted by this shooting, but Obama seems like a great guy and seeing him at that press conference trying to compose himself makes me think he will make the right decision in reducing the risk of this happening again.
I'd say stuff all, considering how much foreign aide we give to our region. But if it was a concern, I'd prefer to go the Swiss Military path of compulsory military training and personal weapons issued to soldiers which they then guard, care for, and take pride in rather than the american model of psycho's buying assault rifles from Walmart and getting a hard on over their gun collection. Switzerland has a very high rate of gun ownership, yet a very low rate of gun related violence and homicides.
Thought i'd throw my views in here (I didn't bother reading this thread, cause i know it'll be full of crap.) We need to focus on running out own nation, not worrying about America, or other places. As long as Australia isn't affected by what they do, i couldn't care less.
Problem is Australia IS affected by what happens in the US. It is in our news, TV shows, Movies, Radio, etc etc etc.
