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Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by MrCanno, Apr 3, 2006.
So which one is it? new or not? are you capable of making up your mind?
You burned him, boy!
You don't actually understand do you?
The VE Commodore is new from the ground up. As in, a completely new Commodore. NOT based on the previous model like the VZ, VY and VX were.
The Zeta platform the ALL NEW Commodore is using HAS been used before.
I am making two distinctly different points here. READ WHAT IT WRITTEN PROPERLY!!!
So, where has Zeta been used before VX_KN079?
Cadillac has a car out using the zeta platform. VX_KN079 is right. The ZETA platform has had engineering input from global GM companies, because it's has been and is going to be the platform for a lot of cars, keeping costs down, and also creating better engineering opportunities (more people involved = more ideas = better chances of better ideas).
Yup... It has also already been used in Europe.
Thought I'd have a look, just out of interest. I didn't expect what I found.
From all accounts(100+ websites, enter GM Zeta or just Zeta) the Zeta platform will not be used in any European car .
Opel were considering importing the VE Commodore but have decided against it. The Opel Insignia was canned before release. Opel have ruled out using the platform as it is considered too big for Europe.
SAAB is a no go until 2007/8 at least as they are currently researching building their car in China or Korea but are unsure if they will use the Zeta platform at all. SAABs are currently FWD.
Cadillacs are using the Sigma platform until 2008 and have not used the Zeta at all.
Chevrolet have used the platform only in three concept cars. The Camaro planned using the Zeta platform was canned but has been reinstated for release in 2008.
GM (North America) considers the Zeta to be far more expensive than originally planned and will use the Omega platform into 2007 at least.
The resurrection of Buick has been put on hold due to the above decision.
Interesting two hours of reading.
one link of many
GM revived its rwd plans late last summer after halting efforts to develop North American vehicles on Zeta last winter. Last winter, GM executives said that the initial plan for the Zeta vehicles was not workable but pledged to develop a new strategy.
Possible Zeta vehicles included the Buick Velite concept, Pontiac GTO and Impala.
Stefanyshyn would not reveal the entire lineup under consideration but said the next-generation Impala "is a possibility."
GM's styling studio has prepared both rear- and front-drive versions of the next Impala, according to an industry source who did not want to be identified.
The engineering of the new group of vehicles will be handled by GM's Holden subsidiary in Australia, which built the Holden Monaro that is the basis for the current Pontiac GTO.
The architecture will debut in the second half of this year on a redesigned Holden model. GM also is considering a rwd model for China.
Ok one more: http://www.channel4.com/4car/news/news-story.jsp?news_id=14076&ref=archive
beat me to it
Beat you to what? Making yourslef look stupid? How many times do I need to prove you wrong...
Bottom line: BRAND NEW COMMODORE FROM THE GROUND UP. ZETA HAS BEEN USED BEFORE IN BOTH EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA.
I don't give a **** that someone can't find information about it online... And just because it's a concept car doesn't make my statement wrong. ZETA HAS BEEN USED BEFORE!!!
I have just one question and this is the question of all questions.. which car in north america has used Zeta platform?
Wrong again!! Cadillac does not have ANY cars in its current line-up that use the Zeta platform, although it plans to release a new coupe (incidently called the Cadillac ULS due for release in 2007) built on a "premiumized" version of the new Zeta platform that'll also underpin the 2007 Buick Velite, Pontiac G8, and GTO. The Current Cadillac STS uses the Sigma platform.
*waits even more patiently for more proof that Zeta is used in a current GM vehicle* :whistling :
Anyone heard prototype Camaro? That's right it was at the Detroit Motorshop in January running a what? That's right ZETA PLATFORM!!!
Now would be the time I would say GO AND GET F*CKED!!! but I'm not that cruel and don't like to rub it in when I know I'm right so I won't...
OK.. but what production car has used it?
*continues to wait patiently* ;-)
a:- And you were asking who didn't go to school?
b:- That's like saying the model name ve has been used before so it can't exist on a commodore, how can you expect anybody to take you seriously if all you do is act like such a typical ignorant government employee.
You really need to seek professional help with your issues
All you've PROVEN(yes, we can type in capitals too) is that you're a wanker who is so indecisive that every time you are told you're wrong, slightly changes your story to suit yourself.
Get a grip and a life.
haha got him there i want to see your proof that u keep talking about hard proof not the stuff maded up in your head couse i think u have been listing to the little voice's in your head for far to long ********
What's a Comaro? Must be the European Zeta.
Amen shiatan, forgot to leave my name.
Just to clarify, there was no offence intended to all the other government employees, just the idiot ones.
P.S. yeah, those comaro's rock, i think they're a korean knock-off of the ones chevrolet make.................and they used the zeta too, before anyone else.
LOL!!! You guys crack me up - you really do.
"About exactly" is an oxymoron, NOT a typo or a spelling mistake. I don't take the piss out of typos or spelling mistakes.
Something is either about or exactly, it can't be both.
Who give a sh*t how you spell Camaro? It's US SH*T!!! And the prototype was based on the Zeta platform. Never said a production car used it in the US or Europe. All I said was that it has been used in both Europe and the US. You guys are trying to say the VE will be the first car anywhere to use it and you are WRONG!!! Just accept it. I would if I were wrong but I'm not.
Separate names with a comma.