Attributes of the ZB that make it Special

underwhelmed how? every reviewer out there gave the VF the big thumbs up - what's YOUR problem with it?

here's one of your cuzzie bro's taking about the SII Redline. He reveiwed the ZB at some stage too and liked it, but one thing the ZB will never do is put a smile on your face from that powerplant.

 

Watch out, that's the Tazzl argument of excellence.

 

Indeed.....I can't believe the amount of butt hurt dispayed by some ZB owners.

Me thinks they doth protest too much.

 

Meaning to not be a more picky bastard but I think I can split that hair into even finer pieces (no doubt somebody will correct me if they think I am wrong).

I don't believe Holden ever named their utes Commodores. Back when you could view the range of Commodores and Holden Utes online at Holden's website, they were in separate sections (named Commodore, and Holden Ute - strangely enough). The "Holden Ute", while based on and sharing components with the same generation Commodores, never seemed to have Commodore included in their name (on any official Holden document or web page). I believe the "Holden Belmont Ute" was the last to be named by Holden anything other than just "Holden Ute".

My magnum is not a Commodore (despite what the NZTA registration label states), the Holden invoice (and the dealership service department documentation) names it as a "2017 Holden SS Magnum Ute".

Car dealers, vehicle licensing authorities, and insurers have applied the Commodore moniker to the utes, as have we. However, if you name your son Jack and everyone else calls him John, is he really a John or is he Jack?

 

I'm glad you used the tongue-in-cheek emoji there, otherwise one might think you're delusional. I reckon that Calais V Director would be a sensational car to own, would totally overwhelm my driving abilities

 

Source for this claim? My dash doesn't rattle and I haven't read any ZB owner posting here about that problem.

 

I didn’t have to look far...currently the very next thread below this one...Matt’s ZB wagon review eg post#158 where RedlineJimmy has more concerns than just the rattles in the dash.

The rattling dash was quite widely covered in the media following the ZB release with Holden saying they traced it back to German production and were working with Opel on a fix...not sure if they did fix it or not as admittedly more recent examples possibly relate to old, slow selling stock.

 

You will find surface rust under the dash of just about any car most of the cross supports and brackets are just unpainted pressed steel.

 

Ofcourse a tuned blown fpv v8 and a typhoon are going to make a stock calais feel lazy.
Why no comparison of a zb to a gen f gts?

 

"Lazy" is a strong word when describing a 304kw and 570nm car running very low 5s. Didn't all those stock turbo Barra's run 6s at best?

I totally agree with your second point, would be a much more apt comparison than a VX Ls1.

 

Lazy compared to a modified, blown V8 and one of the silliest 6 pots this country has produced.

 

None under my VP BT1 dash

 

Well why would anyone compare a 50k car to a 4k clunker thats pushing 20yo?

 

What a bummer...I paid closer to $60k in 2017 for my first ever V8...brand spanker SS wagon. I guess if I rushed into Holden even now I could probably trade it on a new ZB....let me think about that for a moment

 

You're not looking hard enough. Look under the console at the shifter assembly. I have had the dashes out of many makes and models and can assure you they are all the same, plenty of pressed steel brackets and supports that have surface rust. Manufacturers only make things that you can see look good and none are any different.

 

I think the ZB is a good car, as I've said before. There is not much wrong with it and there is plenty of tech for the money.Yes it has some issues but all cars suffer from some issue or other
The only problem was the name.
Back in 1978 GMH released a new car. They called it Commodore. Why? Because it was different to the HZ Belmont/Kingswood/Premier/Statesman models it eventually replaced.
The same thing happened in 2018. New and different body, chassis, engines, transmissions, drivelines etc. Radically different and nothing at all like the VF so GM should of called it something different, maybe just kept the Insignia name perhaps
Anyway, I'll stick to my RWD V8 because that's the type of car I like. And just for the record, I have had zero issues with my VF2 except for replacing the battery last year.

 

I wonder if the outcry would have been the same had the ZB been called something like Kingswood, Belmont or Premier? Insignia is a nothing name with no resonance down under.

 

Your previous list had some merit, now you are just making it up.
Yes these are demos, but ballpark... would both run rings around a ZB (or VF for that matter)

https://www.autotrader.co.nz/used-cars-for-sale/mazda-mx____5/2218297
https://www.autotrader.co.nz/used-cars-for-sale/hyundai-i30/2198511