Just Commodores Forum Community

It takes just a moment to join our fantastic community

Register

Auto not dropping into 1st

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Trevor-W, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. Trevor-W

    Trevor-W New Member

    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2019
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Members Ride:
    2017 VFII SSV Redline
    Hi Everyone
    My VFII SSV Redline wont drop into 1st automatically when in sports mode
    That is When in Sports mode change up the gears and if you come to a stop without changing down it will change down each gear except 1st. You then have do manually go to 1st.
    I had to dealer and they had never heard of it and then said drove another car and same thing so said this is normal in this model.
    Is this correct?
     
  2. wetwork65

    wetwork65 A wet business

    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
    Location:
    Sydney
    Members Ride:
    VF SSV Wagon & VF SV6 Wagon
    Yes both of mine do this. To get first gear I change manually. Although first is so "short" it is not very useful other than scaring the children.
     
    VS 5.0 and Trevor-W like this.
  3. BlackVXGTS

    BlackVXGTS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    558
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2004
    Location:
    Melbourne, SE
    Members Ride:
    GEN-F2 GTS A6, VS Clubsport 185 A4
    Quite correct, it is "normal" - which is not the same as "acceptable".

    In my Gen-F2 GTS, normal mode always starts off in second gear and you can't get it to change down into first when you are stopped. In manual mode it also changes down to second, but you can manually change it down to first, but then you have to change gears manually. I find the standard second gear starts to be a real pain together with an associated sluggish performance off the line. When I drive my wife's VS Clubsport, I can't believe how much better and more powerful it feels when you start off.

    I really don't understand how Holden can claim it's a six speed automatic when first gear cannot be used in normal driving, particular for those models that don't have a manual capability.
     
    Skylarking likes this.
  4. snortings

    snortings Active Member

    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    83
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2016
    Location:
    Queensland
    Members Ride:
    MY15 SV6
    This must be only in the V8's... my SV6 goes down to 1st if I leave it in manual and don't change down when slowing down to a stop.
     
  5. wetwork65

    wetwork65 A wet business

    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
    Location:
    Sydney
    Members Ride:
    VF SSV Wagon & VF SV6 Wagon
    Simply coz more gears must be better. I miss my simple 4 speed boxes behind LS1s.
    Seems IC engines will just get more and more ratios as time goes on. (I won't mention CVT gearboxes).
    Until we are all driving electric cars with no gears and no fun.
     
  6. abuch47

    abuch47 Active Member

    Messages:
    868
    Likes Received:
    224
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2018
    Location:
    Madelaide
    Members Ride:
    LSS3 YOOTE
    porsche taycan (EV) has 2 gears. also they all do skids easily due to instant max torque
     
  7. snortings

    snortings Active Member

    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    83
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2016
    Location:
    Queensland
    Members Ride:
    MY15 SV6
    Look at the difference here.

    HSV Senator Signature 0-100 using M1 - 4.8 seconds
    HSV Clubsport R8 LSA 0-100 using S - 4.82 seconds

    Yes I do understand that the LSA had slippage, but still - fairly close.

    You'll have to find the 0-100 in the video, it's towards the end. I did link using the youtube time URL but the forum didn't support it.
     
  8. Smashfist

    Smashfist Active Member

    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    225
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2014
    Location:
    SE QLD
    Members Ride:
    440rwhp Cammed VF Ute
    Why not? Of course it's acceptable if they all do it and it's an intended behaviour. If it's not "acceptable" to yourself the time to make a point of that would be on your test drive where you decide it's a dealbreaker and to not buy the product on offer.

    I'd suggest in "normal" shift mode then it uses first just fine. In addition they all have a manual shift ability so if you really want tyre frying first gear then it's there and available if you want it.
     
  9. wetwork65

    wetwork65 A wet business

    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
    Location:
    Sydney
    Members Ride:
    VF SSV Wagon & VF SV6 Wagon
    Yeah abuch, should have qualified my statement with "affordable electric cars" in the same way current V8s give me fun within my financial constraints.
    You may be looking at Porsche, Tesla, as well as other emerging disruptors.
    I was thinking of Nissan, Hyundai et al which would have no hope of spinning wheels due to electronic fun police built in.
    Suspect I've drifted off-topic.
     
  10. 426Cuda

    426Cuda SUBLIME!

    Messages:
    4,025
    Likes Received:
    2,843
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2013
    Location:
    Wagga Wagga
    Members Ride:
    VF Redline Sedan - A6 Spitfire MSE...
    Neither of mine do this. Both are tuned, but I don't recall them doing that pre-tune either. I wonder if it has anything to do with ones driving style?
     
  11. 07GTS

    07GTS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,953
    Likes Received:
    499
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2013
    Location:
    Australia
    Members Ride:
    VEGTS BLOWN E85
    some do it and some dont its all in the auto tune, first gear is not used much unless ur full throttle, once tuned they all allow it to be used more, there are 2 main qualifications for each gear to be used vehicle speed, throttle position, for wot shifting rpm/speed, looking at the down shifts on normal mode in 2011 6.0
    [​IMG]
     
    426Cuda likes this.
  12. Anthony121

    Anthony121 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,233
    Likes Received:
    624
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2014
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Members Ride:
    VF SSV Redline MY17 & VF Director
    Sports mode will drop to 1st. Manual mode will drop to 2nd when you come to a stop. I cannot remember what my V6 did in the Calais V but I assume it did the same thing.
     
    426Cuda likes this.
  13. 426Cuda

    426Cuda SUBLIME!

    Messages:
    4,025
    Likes Received:
    2,843
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2013
    Location:
    Wagga Wagga
    Members Ride:
    VF Redline Sedan - A6 Spitfire MSE...
    Yes, that's exactly what mine does.
     
  14. snortings

    snortings Active Member

    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    83
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2016
    Location:
    Queensland
    Members Ride:
    MY15 SV6
    Mine doesn't... manual in my SV6 will always drop to 1st. I can upload a video to here tomorrow.
     
  15. BlackVXGTS

    BlackVXGTS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    558
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2004
    Location:
    Melbourne, SE
    Members Ride:
    GEN-F2 GTS A6, VS Clubsport 185 A4
    I was making a general comment here. We always get told by Dealers that various noises and issues relating to our cars are "normal" - oil consumption, differential whines, HVAC issue etc. may be "normal" as in commonly experienced with that model, but they are not necessarily acceptable.
     
  16. 426Cuda

    426Cuda SUBLIME!

    Messages:
    4,025
    Likes Received:
    2,843
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2013
    Location:
    Wagga Wagga
    Members Ride:
    VF Redline Sedan - A6 Spitfire MSE...
    Yeah. I suppose that's as it doesn't have the v8 torque to easily handle a 2nd gear start.
    The only time I ever notice this is if I forget I'm in manual mode and stop at the lights etc. It kind of goes with the whole manual select thing. It only goes down gears if absolutely necessary and first just isn't necessary. Of course if I select first it takes off in first, or second or third, as selected. In auto mode, it always takes off in first. No if's, no buts.
     
  17. Redline 2017

    Redline 2017 Active Member

    Messages:
    281
    Likes Received:
    204
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2017
    Location:
    Goulburn
    Members Ride:
    2017 VF 2 SSV REDLINE
    My 17 Redline, drops to first, in manual shift or auto, everytime, my mates LS3 clubby though won't pick first regardless.... Ever, he has to select first then take off
     
  18. BlackVXGTS

    BlackVXGTS Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,577
    Likes Received:
    558
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2004
    Location:
    Melbourne, SE
    Members Ride:
    GEN-F2 GTS A6, VS Clubsport 185 A4
    Starting in 2nd in auto seems to be an HSV (and obviously V8) thing.
     

Share This Page