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Bathurst 2018, and Brock Auction

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by figjam, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. figjam

    figjam Donating Member

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    The ‘Motorsport’ thread seems deserted, so I’ll put this here.
    Peter Champion’s Brock collection is up for auction on Saturday 6 Oct at Bathurst.
    As it doesn’t seem to have been well publicised, I’m hoping that there may not be many bidders, and I may be able to pick up a bargain. :)
    Anyone else intending to be there ?
     
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    greenacc Searching for the billion

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    Collection of what?
     
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    peter brock cars and rare holdens
     
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    greenacc Searching for the billion

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    Good luck finding a bargain, cos no rev heads ever go to Bathurst...
     
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    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    There is a fake of the '84 Bathurst winner being auctioned amongst others. For the real thing you need only head down to the National Motor Racing Museum near Murrays Cnr of the circuit for some real history :)
     
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    ^^^^ I think the '05' at the museum is on permanent loan, from what was Peter Champion's collection, but could be wrong.
    Originally 05 or 25, it's history is debateable and murky, as Brock had contradicted himself on authenticity, and declared that both are the winner at various times, and nobody has been able to positively confirm which is/was which.

    Edit : Yep, should not write stuff about a permanent loan without having a think first. I thought Champion owned both '05's
    My personal opinion about the 1984 '05' is that the museum example is genuine, only because I have a photo from 21 years ago of myself sitting in it. And a lot of conspiracy theories have surfaced since Brock donated it, (think 'NASA moon landings'), about numbers being switched, and who bought which one.
    If the Champion '05' is genuine, it is very much a 'grandfather's axe' now from where it was in 1984.
     
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    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    Yeah - there has been no end of investigation into it and by all of the objective evidence, the NMRM car is the real one. The Champion car started life as the 84 runner up (car 25) but after a torrid racing life in Europe having more hits than Elvis and then a full nut and bolt restoration once Champion bought it, the amount of 1984 car left is near nothing. The resto on that car is no doubt very good with the only major historical inaccuracy I have seen is the incorrect number being painted on the doors :).
     
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    Just to mention the 2018 '1000' race seeing as it's in the thread title.

    What a useless category this is.

    I'd rather see Production or GT.
     
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    The Superutes were on before....geez they sound crap and look slow.

    Next up was Touring Car Masters.....good old sound and much more speed.....and each car has its own character.
     
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    Touring Car masters is awesome to watch....Love watching the old school cars race
    As for the Super Utes....Personally I think they are just pathetic and a piss weak replacement for the V8 ute series...The Toyota 86's & Touring Car Masters are way more entertaining.
    The only good thing about the Stupid Utes being on track is you've got time to go and hang out a load of washing, make yourself another beverage and wash & polish your car before the next category come out to race....Hell you'd probably have enough time to mow your lawn as well.
     
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    Apparently it did not sell. Buyer beware ?
     
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    My first Bathurst 1000 since last century, I took up an offer of free accommodation in a real house, and thoroughly enjoyed the experience, even though I had lost interest with the V8Supercars on introduction of the COTF..

    My first was 1968, (50 years ago … bluddy ‘ell) so my sentimental favourite was the Holdsworth #18 in the Monaro livery from that year.
    1994 was the last visit, and at the time wondered who the kid was that was hanging around with PB, so Craig Lowndes’ win this year was a nice bookend. I really felt for David Reynolds’ who had put in a brilliant effort all day until it all fell apart.
    But the ‘racing’ is processional, and the mixing up, passing, and speed differentials are long gone.
    The Touring Car Masters, if they can race without a crash and safety car, are the big entertainers.
    The 86’s sound like a swarm of bees, the Porsches are a louder swarm of bees, and the soot blowing utes are a chance for a toilet break, and snack.

    The Saturday Brock auction was somewhat disappointing.
    I thought that the cars were real, restored race cars, but most were ‘tribute’ (fake) mockups, so …. interesting to look at, but …..
    On Friday when we got tickets, we had been told to be there by 6.45pm as it was to start at 7.00, but that was the opening time, and the auction did not start till 7.45.
    Scott Pye’s car took about 15 minutes to sell, then there was a video tribute to PB, and by 9.00pm they had sold his ’87 VL, a pair of gloves, ’01 Targa Tas ute, Mobil rally car, some magazines, and had just started on his Targa Tas XU1.
    We then decided that it was way past old farts bedtime, we didn’t have $2M available on our credit cards, and we were likely to be still at the auction and missing the start of Sundays race, so gave the rest a miss.

    But, all in all, a great weekend, but nothing like the ‘good ole Holden v Ford days.’
     
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    Did the Sierra tribute sell?
     
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    Enjoyed your interesting post "figjam". I agree with what you say.

    1968 was our first Bathurst as well. Had been to P.I. in '60 and '61, watched P.I. track break up on TV in '62, so decided with a mate to go to Bathurst in '63 in my Mk2 Sprite.....Got 1/2 way on the Friday night from Melbourne and had a stone tossed up and lost the screen....Too cold to continue, so back home in the freeze.

    Was married by '68 so Wife and I went with 2 friends in his Cortina GT that year.......What a wonderful time we had.
    Went every year until '77 and stayed at the Victoria Hotel, missed '78 as was too busy with business, but then went until '84.....That was the last.

    Doubt I'll ever get back, but it sure is a special circuit.
     
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    this is the first 1000 i've not watched for a long time, doesn't feel right.
     
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    Same, except for the last 1/2 hour or so and aside from Reynolds cramping episode it was pretty pedestrian.
     
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    Don't know. I have been trying to find out the sale prices, but apparently 'confidentiality clauses' on some cars are preventing publication as to what sold, how much, or if they didn't sell.
    I have been to a lot of car auctions, but not of this type, and they are generally frantic affairs,..... bid, bid, bid, all done, bang, over.
    This one was really slow, drawn out and dramatic. That was why we left early, no excitement.
    But, I did get a very nice book detailing all the cars for sale which will go straight to the pool room, so the kids can inherit it, and throw it away.
    Edit …. forgot to mention that Scott Pye's ZB was promoted at auction as a potential dual Bathurst winner (2018 and 2019), and could be worth up to $1M if it did. Hype and hope ??
     
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    So the buyer would have to wait 12 months to get the vehicle ?
     
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    Yes. The successful bidder gets the rolling chassis, minus engine, at the end of the 2019 series.
    In the meantime, the 'owner' gets lots of free rides, hospitality, goodies etc.
    Who pays for smash repairs is the $64 question. You would have to have a lot of boxes ticked before buying it.
     

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