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Brake upgrade from SSV to SSVR Brembo's - Take 2

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by jono67, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. jono67

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    Hi guys, I'm not wanting to re-open the can of worms which was Ron's thread (I'm not having a go, it raised a lot of great issues and discussion, but is now locked anyway). I just have a few questions.

    I have a SSV and am looking at putting on a VFII Brembo front brake upgrade kit, so the questions are:

    1) Putting aside the whole legality side of things, which was well and truly covered in Ron's thread, has anyone here fitted a kit and had any issues due to just bolting on hardware only with them, in particular the ABS due to potential software calibration differences between the two models?

    2) Has anyone bought brake upgrades from the guy who is in the link below. He advertises a stack of Holden stuff on Gumtree. For $1625 the kit includes:

    Genuine VFII SSV Redline Brembo Calipers
    Genuine SSV Redline large disk rotors
    Genuine Brake pad kit
    Genuine Pad pin kits
    Genuine Caliper mounting bolt kit

    I did call and speak to him. He has various 'sources' for his parts and is just a one man show. The kit itself seem well priced and will bolt straight onto my SSV. Just not sure about purchasing from someone only advertising brand new stuff on Gumtree (ie no website).

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/cha...-ve-redline-v8-kit-calipers-discs-/1184294448

    Just for the record, I spoke to Holden parts, and it seems that as per many posts in Ron's thread, the master cylinder is different in the Redline, but that it seems to be the only thing I may have to change. I am currently in contact with an engineer to see about certification, and am waiting on him to get back to me. The plan is to purchase a set of 20" HSVi HF-20 rims to fit over them.

    As suggested to Ron, why bother, sell up and purchase a Redline? I love the colour of my car and it would be hard to find a Redline in the same, plus i purposefully went for the SSV as I am no fan of sunroofs.
     
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    I have a My16 SSV ute & have fitted after market Harrop brakes single piece calipers, there were zero issues with abs by just fitting the hardware. I'm still running the oem SSV master cylinder too. Compared to oem these brakes are awesome.
     
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    Thanks for the input Mav, I am hoping there won't be an issue if I do this upgrade. Tossing up whether to change the master cylinder or not.
     
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    @jono67 for a couple of hundred (usd to aus conversation) more you could get the CTS-V 6-4 pot with everything needed except disks!
    The eBay seller I delt with said he could supply the disks if needed Or you can buy them locally like I did.
     
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    Brake booster is also different.

    Some people did it without upgrading the booster or bmc and it is fine, but the brake pedal feel will be much better with the upgrade. If you want it certified I suspect the upgrade of the booster and bmc would be required.

    PS. I am having flashbacks about this LOL
     
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    $3k for HSV AP disks with 4 pots all round seems pretty good?
     
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    Thanks Mattricho, mmmm, some food for thought there. Will look into it.
     
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    Thanks Ron, sorry to drudge up bad memories mate, I actually read through your thread twice, what an ordeal.

    Yeah it's funny how many different answers you get. I spoke to Holden Spare parts in Lidcombe (pretty large Holden spare parts place in Sydney). The guy there was very helpful, but he said the boosters are the same from SSV to Redline, go figure.

    I also spoke to 3 independent certifiers who were listed on the RMS website. Two of them gave me a straight out "you don't need certifying". The third guy after a lengthy chat said that was well, but said he'd have to look at it in more detail to give me a 100% not needed. Anyway, I am thinking of not worrying about certifying at this point in time.

    My main concerns are any issues with the ABS, and to find out if anyone had purchased from said seller.
     
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    @jono67 would any of the certifiers you talked to provide any docs ststing that by using a specific parts in your brake upgrade you dont need certifying? If so fantastic.

    As to ABS, you are free to put same size **** tires on your car without regulatory concern which surely must mean you either don't have an impact on system behaviour with slipery tires or the system is designed to cope with slippery tires. Same goes for same size real sticky tires.

    Do consider how your insurasnce company will consider such a mod as its not just regulations to be concerne about. If they're happy and the certifiers has provided a written statement confirming you are ok, then easy peasy

    And as mentioned, as your doing an upgrade, do the 6/4 pot CTSV upgrade :D
     
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    Ha, highly unlikelyo_O, although the third guy sounded very thorough in his understanding of it all so IF I do go down that road I'll be dealing with him.

    Agree regarding tyres, car regulations overall are a mess. Mechanic replaced the front disks on my wife's Honda with non original disks and pads when they were shot. Don't think Honda would have tested her model with those ......... mmmmmm........ so does that make her car illegal now:D:D:D

    Yeah have already been in touch with insurance company. VERY tempting the 6/4 pots!!!
     
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    [QUOTE Yeah have already been in touch with insurance company. VERY tempting the 6/4 pots!!![/QUOTE]
    What did the insurance company say?
    I agree with the 6/4 pots.
     
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    Lex they were fine with it and the wheels (AAMI), I just need to adjust my insured figure to cover them, they did not ask about certification as it is brakes and rims only. As debated in Rons thread, if any one with mods such as these has an at fault accident, how hard do their assessors/lawyers go into looking at such things if someone has bolted them on without certification? Is the fact that you are within VSI No. 6 regs (NSW) enough? Who knowso_O
     
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    For what it’s worth the front caliper Bolts on the my15 ssv fit the 6 piston Brembo’s.
    all I’m going to do when it comes time to fit them (waiting for new wheels) is get all new caliber bolts front and rear.
     
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    I bolted the gear up to my 2014 ute and it works just fine, been like that for close to 3 years now. I did have to frankenstein the rear dust shields to fit the rotors on, but everything works like it should. Pedal feels fine (much firmer with the 4pots all round) and it pulls up fine. I don't get to use the ABS much because I've got sticky rubber, it just nosedives and stops.

    As far as selling it up for a Redline, I couldn't justify the cost premium. For what I paid for mine new, plus the cam, exhaust, intake, tune, wheels/tyres and brakes I'm in it for a touch less than what it would have cost me to buy a Redline at time of purchase and I'd have a stock Redline for that money...
     
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    Yes booster is identical, I have terrific pedal feel with the smaller master.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback Smashfist, I'm thinking there will be no issues re: ABS by the sound of it. Same for me with the SSV vs Redline, plus the colour and no sunroof as mentioned.
     
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    Wait so SS has smaller booster than SSV but has the same brakes?
     
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    SS & SSV have the same braking system, SSV Redline have Brembo's. Only master cylinder bore on SS & SSV is smaller than Redline.
     
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    So we're deadlocked. Ron is suggesting it is a different brake booster and bmc. Mavericks Choice, just the bmc. Regardless, are they a straight bolt up when using Oem, at least for the bmc? What kind of $$$ are we talking?
     
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    My research had shown different part numbers between redline and non redline booster

    Unless the booster and bmc are listed as whole assembly under 1 part no. Which would explain the difference
     
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