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Discussion in 'VN - VP Holden Commodore (1988 - 1993)' started by ScoHar, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. ScoHar

    ScoHar Jizz in my pants

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    OK, this might have been covered before but searching I cannot find anything.

    What I want to do is similar to this
    http://www.autospeed.co.nz/cms/A_110778/article.html

    which is being able to set the steering weight instead of my car adjusting it. can it be done with the commodore? similar setup to the lexus in the article?

    Also gonna need a variotronic wiring diagram to get started with so I can make sure I get all the right components, with a little help I should be able to sort this and make a write up about it.

    I think it would be fantastic to be able to adjust the weight of your steering.
     
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    Morton For external use only

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    Sounds fascinating :) I have no idea how the variable-rate steering in early commodores works... I'm going to stick around and find out ^_^
     
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    yZoH //There Ain't No Rest For The Wicked...

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    Sounds interesting, would love to stiffen up the VQ's steering.

    Cheers
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    Morton For external use only

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    You and me both :p
     
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    I'll have a look through my tech. stuff tonight but I think that in the Holden system the solenoid is normally closed and bleeds pressure off (to the reservoir) reducing assistance when desired, rather than applies a balancing pressure feed with a normally open solenoid as in the Lexus system. If that is the case, reducing the current to the control solenoid should lighten the steering weight (up to the point where the solenoid remains closed continuously) rather than increase it.

    It's more expensive than a (few) resistors but I think a Silicon Chip Digital Pulse Adjuster will work instead - it's designed for just this type of application.
     
  6. ScoHar

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    Sweet ok, so other people want this too, ok ill read up on it a bit too. see what I can come up with.
     
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    Step one: undo the control for the steering to see weather the solinoid stays open or closed.
     
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    levymetal TURN MY HEADPHONES UP

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    tried a reco pump? i fitted one and it made my steering twice as hard. personally i like it easy, so i'm watching this thread too!
     
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    It should stay open i.e. my earlier post is wrong in that respect :embarrass so the resistor method may work. The solenoid does bleed pressure off to the reservoir but will be closed with power applied and open without.

    I found a representative plot of the solenoid supply current which starts at ~630mA and maintains that until 20 km/h then ramps down linearly to zero at 80km/h. Not sure of the voltage but if you measure that with the car idling/at low speed and the solenoid coil resistance that will allow a first guess at the resistor needed.

    The solenoid current (PWM) is applied from the BCM (power is switched to it as distinct from an earth from it if that makes a difference). The power wire is BCM terminal C12 (brown/white trace) and the earth is terminal C15 (brown/grey trace). The connector is the lowest and rightmost one on the BCM (which is above the fuse cover inside the car). The two wires are opposite and either side of the connector retaining pin.

    Maybe it was a standard type pump? The pump for the variable steering has a different valve on the pressure side that allows greater flow than the standard pump. (The pumps are actually the same and the valves can be swapped).
     
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    hard to explain, but this is gonna make it light to heavy, not heavy to light won't work in that respect.
     
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    bump, getting no where my knowledge is lacking in this area.
     
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    Mate get yourself a copy of the genuine Holden service manual for the vp calais power steering system etc. It explains how it all works etc etc
     
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    How much more info. do you need?

    If you have one, perhaps you could post up any relevant extra information?

    Could be kind of an open source Variotronic weight tweaking thread.
     
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    I like your idea cheap6, anyone with any diagrams or just any info at all, would be great to be had.
     
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    I've got the VQ suppliment - it may have something in that - will have a squizz tonight.
     
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    Hey Shane, do you wanna fire me that diagram through to my email if you have it.
     
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    In the Statesman book it just has the exploded pic of all the bits and how the pump is bolted to the bracket.

    I'll go dig up the VN book........:thumbsup:

    Nothng in that either - just says that it is a variable ratio rack. It maybe in the VP update.
     
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    Mate I would but there is an entire chapter of info on the variotronic setup, it would take me a month of sundays to scan or type, plus another entire chapter devoted to the power steering itself :wax:





    Yeah all commodore racks are variable ratio, Variotronic started at VQ series II, were standard on VP Calais and I assume VR Calais and VS Calais also got them. Pretty sure they got ditched after that.

    Variotronics have a solenoid on the top of the rack, easiest way to identify them, they are also different to normal racks and cannot be interchanged. I believe the power steer pumps are different also and cannot be interchanged.
     
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    The pumps can interchange but the valves in the pumps are different for more flow I think, but they can also be interchanged between normal pumps. Yea I know about the solenoid trying to track down more electrical sides of things, I know how the mechanical part of it works, just want to be able to fool it into thinking im doing 100kms when im actually just idling etc.
     
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    I'll keep hunting from my corner of the woods see what I can find, possibly gonna ring a couple auto sparky's see what they have to say (usually f**k all)
     

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