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CGI fire/flames in TV

Discussion in 'Telly Talk' started by immortality, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. immortality

    immortality Can't live without smoky bacon! Staff Member

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    Hey,

    What do you guys think of the recent trend to use CGI fire/flames/explosions in TV series?

    The other day I was watching NCIS LA, there was a fire fight with the various agents firing M4's. the bloody muzzle flashes were CGI and looked bloody terrible.

    Another example would be on the Blacklist series which is airing in NZ ATM, in an early episode a terrorist puts an RPG into a helicopter but the CGI explosion and resulting fire just looked so bloody fake.
     
  2. corhijasna

    corhijasna Member

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    unfortunately this is becoming the norm due to expense and safety reasons,they have slowly been introducing this over the years to get us accustomed to it,eventually it will mostly be cgi etc as the movies are due to the cost etc coming down,only thing we can do is not watch it or just put up with it,imo
     
  3. wraith

    wraith Hand over the dog bikkies

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    Most TV shows are 80% cgi when it comes to the sets etc any way.

     
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  4. immortality

    immortality Can't live without smoky bacon! Staff Member

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    Yeah, I get the whole set thing, but it's getting real cheap if they can't even splash out and use some blanks. It only happens in some scenes. Seems to be those been done in a public environment. Scenes shot inside the gun range is still using either genuine ammo or blanks.
     
  5. wraith

    wraith Hand over the dog bikkies

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    It's at the point now where it's so much cheaper to just CGI something then have to do actually do it. No issues with insurance etc.
     
  6. Trayner

    Trayner Fresh prince of Pakky

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    The funny thing is People like Freddy Wong can do better special effects in his little office then most Hollywood places can .
     
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    Drawnnite Obviously Unsensible

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    should ask mythbusters to get involved.
    they do know how to make a good 'spolsion seeing they used to work in that industry for the movies.
     
  8. Turd Ferguson

    Turd Ferguson Donating Member

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    Yeah with blanks I think they just avoid it as much as they can due to safety reasons. I know someone nearly copped a bullet in one of the bond movies after an accident with using blanks.
     
  9. wraith

    wraith Hand over the dog bikkies

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    Just look at Brendon Lee and what happened to him.
     
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    Darren_L Well-Known Member

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    Hollywood can't even get a car scene right
    Can't believe when you watch a big budget movie, all the huge effects, big name actors etc
    Get to a car scene and it's blue screened, they don't even attempt to make it look real

    Watch an Aussie movie on a string budget or an Aussie tv series and they stick the actors and camera in an actual car and drive it outside the studio..... not there's an idea....
     
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    Something that really shits me is the overuse in general of CGI. Movies like Blues Brothers, Italian Job (the proper 1969 version), proper Indiana jones (not that 21st century abomination), and original Star Wars had vision, creativity, genuine proper filmmaking.

    If we watch something like 300 or The Avengers.....question is what isn't CGI. As a result of late I have turned off action film and tv, preferring drama, tasteful comedy, and documentary.
     
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    Tasmaniak Not a valid input....

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    give them blanks and then they have to spend money on firearm control so actors can handle kickback.
     
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    Recoil is governed by Newton's third law.
    With no mass for the gasses to act upon, a projectile, there will be no felt recoil.
     
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    The gases shoot out of the barrel. Newton's laws apply. Otherwise rockets or a jet engine wouldn't work.
     
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    Tasmaniak Not a valid input....

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    I'm no firearm expert by a long shot... but if that was the case, how does it eject the spent round and load the next one? I understand the recoil would be noticeably less but I would think it still packs a fair kick as the gases have to go somewhere.
     
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    The extractor pulls the spent brass out of the chamber.
    As for cycling the action I imagine they employ the same system as military weapons firing blanks, a constrictor is placed in the breach to keep the pressures high enough to cycle.
     
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    Ok the gasses would cause recoil, which would be negligible compared to a complete round since they have minimal mass.
     

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