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Discussion in 'VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)' started by sixshooter, Dec 26, 2005.

  1. sixshooter

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    I just purchased a Calais and am having some weird problems with the Climate control...

    The main problem is with the vents...It doesn't blow air through the centre vents when I selected them in Manual or Auto...

    It does work sometimes when it decides it wants to work...

    But there is like a 15 min delay after swithing on...

    Sometimes switching backwards between "Floor + Centre" & back to Centre helps it start to work....but only when left in "Floor + Centre" selection...

    Anyone else experienced this behaviour from their Climate Control ?

    I've searched for "Climate" "Air Conditioning" but nothing turned up useful...

    I thought I read somewhere about some clogged filters on a vacuum line or something....but I cant find the thread...
    I suspect it might be something like that as the car had few years of is life in Whyalla and was coated in bulldust

    All help appreciated... thanks

    regards,
     
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    It could be clogged filters also check the suction plug on the back of the control knob.
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply sire01TMK,

    But can you elabourate some more...

    Such as whereabouts these filters are ? And how i can get to them to clean?

    I haven't pulled a VS dash apart before...I'm guessing they're in there somewhere...
     
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    Not too sure where filters are located but when I was installing my stereo I had to take out console for stereo surround & I had to unplug the suction plug on the back of climate control knob. Then when I put it all back together the aircon did not blow air through centre vents for a few minutes then when it did the air was hot for a few minutes then ran cold so I checked the suction plug & found it was not connected securely so I just secured it properly & then it was fine!
     
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    Hey mate, not trying to take you for a fool or anything, but have you tried pressing the fan button to alternate the power you want the cool air to come out at, i.e. 1, 2, 3, AC. This is really basic however, but may have gone unnoticed, as i know I did the same thing when I first started using my Climate Control...
     
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    Yeah...done that...

    I took it for a drive last night...I switched it on in Manual...and selected Centre vent and it worked... :) then I switched it over to Auto...and It continued to work through the centre vent...

    But when I start it in Auto and have Centre selected...it just blows air out onto the floor...takes about 15 mins to switch over to the Centre...

    I'll play around and read the manual again... It might just be the nut behind the wheel and not the car at all... if you know what I mean...:embarrass
     
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    Further expalaination..

    Switching through all the vent postitions in Manual works...

    However there is a sticking point between going from "Demister" to "Centre"

    Likely probs with the vacuum switch ?

    From what I've read of the manual the jist is... "In Auto mode it does whatever it feels like doing to keep the temperature at the set level"
     
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    Welcome to the wonderful world of climate control problems. I'm almost at the end of my climate drama so I can probably offer some pointers. The symptoms of vent problems can be somewhat random so are difficult to diagnose. It could be 1) Vacuum leak or 2) Clogged filter on the vacuum control box or a combination of both.

    1)Vacuum Leak
    To determine where the leak is you'll need to listen for is a hissing sound on any of the vacuum lines. Start with the engine bay, the heater tap or the one-way valve near the brake booster are likely culprits. With the engine running put a piece of hose to your ear to help amplify the sounds from the other end by drowning out the sound of the engine. Check the vacuum tank as well beneath the passenger side guard. If you don't find any luck there read on.

    2) Clogged dust filter
    Now, the filter sire01TMK is talking about is in the vacuum control module located directly beneath the stereo, it sits on top of the carpet above the transmission tunnel. You'll need to remove the centre console and then the fascia surrounding the stereo to get to it. It takes a bit of time to remove everything which is why I didn't suggest you do this first. This box controls the switching of the vents by redirecting vacuum. You'll see a slim black box behind some wiring harnesses with 5 holes about the size of 5-cent pieces. One or more of the filter holes may be caked in dust which is more than likely in your case given where the car lived. Flip down the lid by depressing the tangs on top of the module and remove the filter. Soak it in warm soapy water for a long time to get rid of the dust. I cleaned out my filter and it reduced how often the vent problem showed itself, but I still have a vacuum leak I just located yesterday. There are a number of thin vacuum lines coming into the vacuum control box. Any one of these lines may be cracked as well, or where they join the control box. Or it could even be the servos inside the box. Hopefully it's just your filter that's clogged.

    Do a search in the aircon sub-forum for "vacuum" and "climate" by the username "gsmrobinson" for further tips.

    Hope this helps out.
    Mark.
     
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    Cheers, Mark !

    regards,
     
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    Those tips could come in handy - thanks mate.

    I have another variation of this problem - my problem arises most notably when accelerating uphill, but can kick in under hard acceleration with no hill, or a big hill with no acceleration... Anyways, what happens is under the extra 'G' forces (hehe) the vent switches from centre to feet.

    Any ideas ?

    cheers
     
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    Yours is the common case of a vacuum leak. You lose vacuum when you accelerate, and at that point with not enough vacuum to hold the face vents open because of the leak, the airflow moves to the default position (feet). When you take your foot off the go pedal you've now got enough vacuum to compensate for the leak and airflow returns to the face vents. Find your vacuum leak as mentioned previously and you've solved your problem.

    Cheers,
    Mark.
     
  12. Stikaa

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    Just a quick note to 'sixshooter'- Just in case this was overlooked.
    As stated in owners manual...switching to 'manual' on climate control you direct the air where you want it to go. If you still have no air coming through when it is in manual then you definately have a problem. But if the problem is only when the 'auto' is turned on then it is simply how climate control works, by directing air to vent to change the temp in car more efficently. Just a question though does the same problem only happen when you try to cool the car or heat it as well?
     
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    I haven't tried it with the heaters yet...its been roasting hot over here...lol...

    I also noticed that the centre vent has a tendancy not to work when the fan is full speed in manual...

    Here's my progress so far, checked the vacuum ball connection ( recut the hose end re-attached - all OK), checked the hoses at the T piece and from the manifold, checked the one way valve (working ok ), checked the line at the heater switch, stripped down the centre console, removed the filter & cleaned with water & reverse blowed with compressed air, checked hoses at back of filter/switching thingy...

    I havent noticed much improvement...I can get the centre vents to work on manual after switching back and forth a couple of times... my guess is the filter/switch thingy is stuffed...I'm not to worried about it at the momment as it only affects the centre vent....
     
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    I went out for a drive last night... and used the heaters...

    I noticed the problem is worse with the heaters on and the air conditioner off...

    any thoughts ?
     
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    Ok all fixed now...

    After stripping down alll my dash, replacing a few hoses, it ended up being the vacuum soleniod switch box ( the black box under aircon/heater box that connects to the climate control)

    So if anyone is experiencing problems with their vents...all you got to do is strip your console out drive down to the wreckers and swap one over in the carpark to see if it works... and while I'm at it thanks fly out to "HOLDSPARES" at 1 Churchill Rd for supplying the part for me to test before purchase...I highly recommend them.
     
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    Glad to hear you got it sorted out. After everything you checked the only thing left was one or more faulty solenoids in the control box.

    Good to see a wrecker where a happy customer was their priority for a change. How much did it cost?
     
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    $33.00 :)..... brand new $130 something
     
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    Hey I bought my Cal S2 last week, if the climate control is off, why is there air flow still coming thru the vents? plus it seemed this morning that the air flow was coming from outside the car because I was behind a damn garbo truck, you know the rest, when I turned on climate control it shows a C and it's set to take air from cabin.
     
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    All I can suggest is operate it in manual before switching off and select recirculate air.

    See if that helps... if not you may either have a vacuum leak in the system which is not keeping the recirculate valve closed or the vacuum control block is stuffed like mine was...

    I cant say that I've notice this before...I haven't felt air through the vents with the climate off...

    btw. the setting C is the coldest setting possible
     
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    sixshooter is spot on the money. The C is when you try to go below 16 degrees. For recirc what you're looking for is the little arrow going around in a circle. I can't remember if you can select that in auto mode, just do it in manual mode. If that arrow is on and it still won't recirc then the flap that closes off the outside air intake is stuck (either a vacuum leak or a faulty solenoid in the vacuum control box).

    As to the Fresh air coming in with the climate control off, there'll still be an open inlet from the plenum chamber through to the vents. Air is forced through just by the car moving forwards (same deal as having an open window). The higher the speed you're travelling the more fresh air comes in. Someone feel free to correct me, but I imagine there's something in the ADR's to keep a default open fresh air inlet to the cabin to prevent buildup of carbon monoxide/dioxide in the cabin.

    Mark.
     

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