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Tezza……’he talked about setting the cruise control was not good’
Me …....‘Cruise control was fiddly to activate and reset. Whether it was a car problem, or a thumb problem, I don’t know.’
Drive a Falcon or Territory to see how easy cruise control should be activated.
The two worst cars for cruise control I've driven - AU Falcon and Audi B8 S4. Both are situated on a third column stalk which is either located too high so you cannot see it behind the wiper stalk or steering wheel spokes (also making it difficult to reach), or too low so you keep banging the set button with your left knee.

The best? Anything with decent buttons you can press with your thumbs without having to take your hands off the wheel.
 

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Look it takes time out with a new car to get accustomed to a car. But then you get into the groove unless it is distamracting. It's at your fingertips on my ZB and it is very good To fiddle ariund on a single trio while driving the car for the first time when it was also wet a lot ( you said) is no time to maje an assessment. It's just not.
This is my last post as you have no idea about utilising safety provided .. the attitude is the problem unfortunately .. you won't accept anything that you don't like - that's foolish when it comes to safety And to can my comment about starting my car on 40+ for the few times I might do it and I never did it for 15 minutes, is stupid. It's there! it is a safety and health issue and it is also brilliant if you are not and tired. Embrace and promote, and research. I must end again by saying that the ZB Commodore 4 cylinder 2 litre turbo petrol is a brilliant car with excellent features even at the entry level , the LT model.
And to dismiss the professional reviewers and fanging the car force few hours and handing vack to the manufacturer is an arrogant disservice to them. Your pathetic uninformed and un researched comments create impressions in others when they are false . If you had actually tried and played with the Android Auto to say map the journey using voiceand learn how to make calls by voice woukd have done some justice If you had done this you wiukd have found that voice instructions for destination and voice for calls and texts could be made without touching the phone But you sewed a negative view of many things. As I said the info tech in the car is PERFECT. So you don't need to read the screen. Alk of this creates in some people's minds a reaction to dismiss the car very very unfairly. I know one other owner who also regards the car as outstanding.. the lift back opening to the boot makes access very much better. It is much better
 

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I don't like a lot of those fancy gizmos, they annoy me and can be distracting and turn many off when I take the new fancy rentals. Fancy gizmos don't make up for poor quality drivers but the way they are promoted it would seem stepping into a car with lane assist and crash warning now makes a poor driver invincible, god help us all.

I take what car reviewers say with a grain of salt, they get paid a decent wage to say things about cars, it's very rare to have a reviewer trash a car, I wonder why (unless your name is Jeremy Clarkson)?



Hmmm, sounding more and more like a Holden stooge...

Once again, your opinion is just that, your opinion. It is NOT any more valid than other opinions from other users good or bad.
Mine opinions are not thst. The safety features I enunciated speak for themselves My opinions are not opinions when it comes to details. I detailed the info system and how I got it to work entirely by voice. It took me some time but I forgot right as anyone can do. That is just one example of FACT not opinion, so talk denying rot despite facts. You wont admit a thing. I cane onto this site to promote thus car, a car I know. If in some way I have encouraged potential buyers to consider the ZB petrol turbo petrol, I am happy and in the process exposed poor attitudes and rubbish comments if naysayers whuch I have exposed , then good.
 

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My eyes are archeing and my head hertz from these 2 last posts.
 

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Mine opinions are not thst. The safety features I enunciated speak for themselves My opinions are not opinions when it comes to details. I detailed the info system and how I got it to work entirely by voice. It took me some time but I forgot right as anyone can do. That is just one example of FACT not opinion, so talk denying rot despite facts. You wont admit a thing. I cane onto this site to promote thus car, a car I know. If in some way I have encouraged potential buyers to consider the ZB petrol turbo petrol, I am happy and in the process exposed poor attitudes and rubbish comments if naysayers whuch I have exposed , then good.

Maybe you should spend some time reviewing what I have said about the ZB, not just little tid bits here and there...

But to clarify, I've not said the ZB is a bad car, what I've said is the ZB is not a Commodore as we know it to be (Aussie built/designed, med/large sedan, RWD with V6/V8 option etc). What I have said and keep saying is that gizmos don't make a car, gizmos don't make up for bad drivers regardless of the brand/model. Do they help people, sure they do but that does not change the fact that they are bad drivers making poor decisions. Relying on a gizmo to make you a good driver is a poor decision. The ZB does not interest me as it's not the type of vehicle I like to drive, I like RWD (it's the hoon in me :D).

I'm really glad you got your satnav/infotainment system working by voice command, at least I'll know you won't be distracted by that whilst you are driving. I don't need satnav as I can figure out where I'm going most of the time without needing to reference a map every few km to make sure I'm still heading on the right path. All I need is a decent sound system, the open road and some grunt under my right foot and I'm a happy camper.

Just to make a point/example, here in NZ we have a lot of narrow, winding roads. The last rental I had had the lane assist function/warning. On some roads, especially when there are large trucks coming the opposite way you need to make sure you keep left. When doing this the bloody lane assist warning keeps going off, I know where the road is and there was a bloody good reason why I was where I was so to me this function is just a bloody nuisance (maybe the crash warning would be less intrusive if I was to keep right and get closer to those B trains coming in the opposite direction at 100km/h?).

But thanks for the exposure... :eek:
 

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I'm kinda sad that a Holden stooge who is sent to promote a vehicle can't even spell basic words or worse, the infotainment system doesn't have a spell check function :(
 
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Maybe you should spend some time reviewing what I have said about the ZB, not just little tid bits here and there...

But to clarify, I've not said the ZB is a bad car, what I've said is the ZB is not a Commodore as we know it to be (Aussie built/designed, med/large sedan, RWD with V6/V8 option etc). What I have said and keep saying is that gizmos don't make a car, gizmos don't make up for bad drivers regardless of the brand/model. Do they help people, sure they do but that does not change the fact that they are bad drivers making poor decisions. Relying on a gizmo to make you a good driver is a poor decision. The ZB does not interest me as it's not the type of vehicle I like to drive, I like RWD (it's the hoon in me :D).

I'm really glad you got your satnav/infotainment system working by voice command, at least I'll know you won't be distracted by that whilst you are driving. I don't need satnav as I can figure out where I'm going most of the time without needing to reference a map every few km to make sure I'm still heading on the right path. All I need is a decent sound system, the open road and some grunt under my right foot and I'm a happy camper.

Just to make a point/example, here in NZ we have a lot of narrow, winding roads. The last rental I had had the lane assist function/warning. On some roads, especially when there are large trucks coming the opposite way you need to make sure you keep left. When doing this the bloody lane assist warning keeps going off, I know where the road is and there was a bloody good reason why I was where I was so to me this function is just a bloody nuisance (maybe the crash warning would be less intrusive if I was to keep right and get closer to those B trains coming in the opposite direction at 100km/h?).

But thanks for the exposure... :eek:
I'm kinda sad that a Holden stooge who is sent to promote a vehicle can't even spell basic words or worse, the infotainment system doesn't have a spell check function :(
good on ya for finding other faults. you are a hero
 

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I'm kinda sad that a Holden stooge who is sent to promote a vehicle can't even spell basic words or worse, the infotainment system doesn't have a spell check function :(
I'm no stooge .. I bought the car from John Duncan at Patterson Cheney Vermont. Call him
 

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good on ya for finding other faults. you are a hero
The reality is that you appear not to comprehend and wont
accept , is that many drivers go off the road and die for reasons that are not their fault.. they get sick or have a heart turn , or partially fall asleep and .. they are not bad drivers. Anything that can avoid accidents or save lives is wirth. they are not gizmos .. go and ask traffic safety authorities... Unfortunately you are a luddite and wont accept change for the good.
 

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I'm kinda sad that a Holden stooge who is sent to promote a vehicle can't even spell basic words or worse, the infotainment system doesn't have a spell check function :(
oh dont get sad . just come into the 21st century . I know what the Android Auto system is very well we all know I know that. just sniping .
 

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Maybe you should spend some time reviewing what I have said about the ZB, not just little tid bits here and there...

But to clarify, I've not said the ZB is a bad car, what I've said is the ZB is not a Commodore as we know it to be (Aussie built/designed, med/large sedan, RWD with V6/V8 option etc). What I have said and keep saying is that gizmos don't make a car, gizmos don't make up for bad drivers regardless of the brand/model. Do they help people, sure they do but that does not change the fact that they are bad drivers making poor decisions. Relying on a gizmo to make you a good driver is a poor decision. The ZB does not interest me as it's not the type of vehicle I like to drive, I like RWD (it's the hoon in me :D).

I'm really glad you got your satnav/infotainment system working by voice command, at least I'll know you won't be distracted by that whilst you are driving. I don't need satnav as I can figure out where I'm going most of the time without needing to reference a map every few km to make sure I'm still heading on the right path. All I need is a decent sound system, the open road and some grunt under my right foot and I'm a happy camper.

Just to make a point/example, here in NZ we have a lot of narrow, winding roads. The last rental I had had the lane assist function/warning. On some roads, especially when there are large trucks coming the opposite way you need to make sure you keep left. When doing this the bloody lane assist warning keeps going off, I know where the road is and there was a bloody good reason why I was where I was so to me this function is just a bloody nuisance (maybe the crash warning would be less intrusive if I was to keep right and get closer to those B trains coming in the opposite direction at 100km/h?).

But thanks for the exposure... :eek:
what errant nonsense . you turned the lane warning off in the loan journey. don't give me other trash.
 

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what errant nonsense . you turned the lane warning off in the loan journey. don't give me other trash.
arrant is the word not errant .. the phone changed it from what I wrote
 

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Tezza is starting to sound like a previous one eyed, argumentative tosser that used to be a member

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what errant nonsense . you turned the lane warning off in the loan journey. don't give me other trash.
That's right, I turned it off when it started to bother me, took a few minutes off my life I'll never get back....

The reality is that you appear not to comprehend and wont
accept , is that many drivers go off the road and die for reasons that are not their fault.. they get sick or have a heart turn , or partially fall asleep and .. they are not bad drivers. Anything that can avoid accidents or save lives is wirth. they are not gizmos .. go and ask traffic safety authorities... Unfortunately you are a luddite and wont accept change for the good.
So bad drivers making poor decisions (driving tired) or a severe medical event where those driver aids will most likely make zero difference, great examples.

What scared me most on the road or drivers that are distracted, drivers who don't go with the flow of traffic, red light runners, drivers using illicit substances. These are the most likely reason I will die on our roads, driver aids will not save me from these idiots.
 
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Tezza is starting to sound like a previous one eyed, argumentative tosser that used to be a member

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Never been a member until now . As I said I came on to promote the car because it's so good. Holden has not spent any tine in a program to promote the car due to baggage..and stupid obsession with suv where many many don't go off the bitumen . I wrote to CEO Buttner, tried to reach Kristian Acquilina but they would not talk to me, yet I had a wonderful good news story about the Commodore 4 cylinder 2 litre petrol turbo, and would offer my help as a customer. It was clear that Holden could not create credibility for a Commodore marketing campaign from within.. and that both consultants and wasteful tv ads would do little It was about 1 thing.. the widget.. the widget was/is good, very good. Sure you are not going to tow a float with 2 horses but this a great saloon car, a magnificent saloon car .. and entry level it us brilliant.. And yes it us a 4 cylinder. Holden have never ever had one Now they have a beauty. a real beauty.. and at a beauty price You gotta get people to drive it. that is the focus .. I tried my best. All I am doing here is shouting at the roof tops to rave about it in the hope some people might sit up and not listen to the critics,But as anyone knows many old hands on sites like this come in for the kill.. won't accept perhaps that it us a brilliant car. They fight .. they say its your opinion only when you detail facts. Sad but Holden have done zip yet Buttner is on the record mire than once in saying Commodore is a central part of its plans. He does not have much say and a limited budget.. 191kw 350nm of torque, a fabulous power to weight car engineered and built in Germany ( engine may be the exception), superbly quick, superbly agile, superbly solid on the road, the Infotainment system can be commanded by voice perfectly after trying. It's a pleasure to drive for average sized people. Yet Holden won't promote it. SUV is the word
Go and drive the car
 

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That's right, I turned it off when it started to bother me, took a few minutes off my life I'll never get back....



So bad drivers making poor decisions (driving tired) or a severe medical event where those driver aids will most likely make zero difference, great examples.

What scared me most on the road or drivers that are distracted, drivers who don't go with the flow of traffic, red light runners, drivers using illicit substances. These are the most likely reason I will die on our roads, driver aids will not save me from these idiots.
They add to safety. The maniacs will kill us yes. But these safety things are by any measure very good.
 
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