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Do VF commodore still suffer from timing chain issues ?

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Mybeans, May 12, 2019.

  1. Mybeans

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    I have a VZ thinking of buying a VF but not sure about it due to timing chain issues which I ended up having to pay a lot to fix in the VZ.

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    Shouldn't be a problem if its maintained properly.
     
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    if you mean issues by having to do the "chain" every about 150,000km that is normal.
    if you mean the early alloytec issue in the ve's then as far as I know that was corrected around 2008.
     
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    Doesn't fixing the timing chain cost something like 4 grand ? So you need to do that every 150k ?

    I mean if you don't fix it the chain blows up and you need to replace the entire engine. I payed 5 grand for a replacement engine in my VZ commodore about 5 years ago.
     
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    a timing belt or chain needs to replaced on every vehicle that has one roughly every 100,000 to 150,000 km.
    the early ve alloytec did have an issue of premature stretching which caused problems but I have not seen anything in the vf range because they addressed that issue somewhere in 2008/2009.

    to your original question:
    no I don't think you will have timing chain issues with the vf range apart from the normal maintenance.
     
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    A belt certainly, but a chain every 100K-150K? I wouldn't have thought that to be the case. Most should be last the life of the vehicle (assuming timely and correct engine maintenance). Exceptions exist of course such as the early alloytecs. But these related to an essentially defective product.
     
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    you can hold out longer for a chain but over time it will still stretch(wear) enough to need a replacement.
    its like anything that is a major moving part in that it will need replacing eventually, it just depends on how far you are willing to push it.
     
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    So basically an engine which has maintenance costs, say $4,000 to "replace" chain after 100,000 to 150,000 kms ? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love holden and the VF is awesome but with that kind of maintenance costs I really can't justify it. That would absolutely shatter resale values.
     
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    No. If you happen to get an alloytech that has the known timing chain problem, you're looking at around a $1500ish fix, as a one off. Considering you're after a VF however, where the issue has been sorted, as long as proper maintenance is carried out (ie timely oil changes) you won't be changing chains at anywhere near 100k-150k intervals.
     
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    Its about half that by Holden and cheaper if you use your own mechanic.
     
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    So you think it is about $2000 to fix ?
     
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    revhigh sponsors on here .. supply and fit chains prices around a grand
    its poor maintenance any chain will stretch without lubrication
    when you look at a engine undo the oil cap look and feel for
    any sludge
    https://forums.justcommodores.com.au/forums/revhigh.255/
     
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    Mate, you're looking at buying a VF. As long as it's serviced properly it's a non-issue. You're overthinking it.
     
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    My timing chain went a few weeks ago, only got 115,800kms on the clock. Perfect service history and everything, I don't flog it or anything (dunno but the previous owner but he was a middle aged bloke). Now I'm not going to go into the full details of the whole story because it's a 7 page thread that you can read here, but Holden Customer Care covered the cost of $2300 (even though I'm out of warranty).

    But it's back at the dealership now because it's still having trouble.
     
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    I was about to reply there's been numerous threads on timing chains, but I don't remember any that were VF's. I did think it may be that VF's weren't old enough yet, then here you go 115,000 Km's and same problem as VE's - they definitely didn't fix this in 2008, many with the same problem after 2008, annoying because I think they are a good car and the V6, especially the 3.6 is a good engine. A shame the car is let down by this and power steering problems with 2014 models.
     
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    without dismissing the obvious issue Snortings has had, I'd reckon there'd be plenty of VF's with over 100k kms on them, considering the oldest are now 6yrs and there were plenty of hire cars etc amongst them, yet we certainly haven't seen the proliferation of timing chain issues on here as we did with VE.

    Sorry to hear Snortings, hopefully you get it sorted (snorted?) out soon..
     
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    I'm with this guy. You don't need to replace timing chains at all unless a problem rears its head with your specific engine. The early Alloytecs are one such example of a defective part (timing chain) that needed to be rectified, but timing chains snapping and lunching an engine are so remote, it's not even worth worrying about. Timing belts on the other hand, need careful, scheduled replacement or they WILL snap and do damage.
     
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