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Do's and Don'ts when getting pulled over

Darren_L

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I don't work for them now. Retired a few years back. Hardly worth the effort trying to ask anybody about that issue, anyway, as I've said, it hasn't caused me any probs when I got out of the car. I have no doubt that some police will try you on and direct you to re-enter your vehicle, but we haven't reached the "police state" yet, so I work on the assumption that there IS a limit to what police can legitimately direct a driver to do. If you park the car correctly and legally, and there is no risk of injury, the only real reason a police officer would insist on you remaining in your car would be for his personal safety. Meh, they have the capsicum spray, the baton and the weapon,so if they have to insist that you re-enter your car, perhaps they are in the wrong job.:smoking:

There was another time I left my car after being pulled over and it was partly because I WAS pissed off with the cop. The first thing I said to him, before he could speak, was "Do you mind telling me exactly why you have pulled me over?" I knew the reason; I was driving my very clean and cared for HR Premier on a Saturday morning. I looked like crap because I had been working on the house and was on my way to the hardware store for materials. He had seen a scruffy looking thirty+ year old in an old Holden and thought it would be an easy mark. I had broken absolutely no laws, but he proceeded to tell me that my towball was obscuring the number plate. It wasn't. It had been sitting in the same spot for twenty years and had never raised a question until this prawn pulled me over. I argued the point with him and told him that I was employed by the Police Department and didn't accept his reason for pulling me over. I suggested that perhaps we should attend the nearest police station where we could "debate" the matter with his supervising Sergeant before I lodged a complaint about harassment. He backed off, saying that he was giving me a warning and didn't normally book people for obscured number plates due to tow-balls. The problem for him was he had his breach book in his hand and I said "Yeah, sure, that's why you brought your breach book with you. You picked the wrong boy this time round, mate."

I got back in my car before I said something I would regret and drove off very carefully. I had a mate with me so a witness was present for the whole incident. That prick was the kind of HWP cop that made life so hard for all the good cops I worked with.

Whilst you may have personally managed to stay out of trouble with your questionable... approach, it's not particularly responsible in suggesting other people try it. If you believe you are an authority on law, then for sure roll the dice and take your chances. But for those who would prefer not to walk the fine line, then I suggest to them to stay in their vehicle and await further instructions from the police officer. I certainly advise against being a smart arse. One day it's going to bite you..

You are correct in assuming the police do have limits in what they can direct you to do. It must be a lawful direction. Like it or not, legislation allows police to deliver a lawful direction for many reasons, just a few I have already mentioned. Failing to follow a direction can land you with a hefty infringement and/or a court appearance. And if you decide to challenge that decision in court, you will want to do a very good job convincing the magistrate that you had a valid reason for refusing to follow a direction.
 

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Stuff cops, what about Bouncers. They are thee most unreasonable people of authority of the lot. My mate wasn't allowed into a club because he was "too drunk" when he was the flaming sober driver!!! I got kicked out of a club last night for having a flask on me and I just got told "f##k off", I was reasonable and co-operative and I didn't argue with them. Never been talked to by a cop like that, and they are usually easy to talk to and polite unlike bouncers.
 

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Anyone who reads this because they genuinely don't know how to act when pulled over probably deserves what's coming to them anyway. It's all common sense really...
I got pulled over by a highway patrol car in the middle of the country for my H.I.D's. I listened calmly whilst he explained to me that they were illegial and could issue me a defect notice. I then responded calmly to him asking him if I changed them over on the spot to my ADR globes I had spare in my glovebox could I leave defect free. He said yes straight away and then spoke to me about the bush and motorbike riding as I had the bikes on the trailer behind the ute. All about attitude and how calm you are..
 
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Stuff cops, what about Bouncers. They are thee most unreasonable people of authority of the lot. My mate wasn't allowed into a club because he was "too drunk" when he was the flaming sober driver!!! I got kicked out of a club last night for having a flask on me and I just got told "f##k off", I was reasonable and co-operative and I didn't argue with them. Never been talked to by a cop like that, and they are usually easy to talk to and polite unlike bouncers.

Bouncers are licensed thugs. For some reason they are also above the law.
 

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I had an old ford running h.I.d.s and blue parking lights I was pulled up by 2 detectives eye off my car and said nothing then a week later an rbt breath tested me then told me the blue park lights were illegal and didn't defect me but didn't say anything about the h.I.d.s but all depends on the copper I'm putting projector lights in my car so they become almost legal but yeah

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Stuff cops, what about Bouncers. They are thee most unreasonable people of authority of the lot. My mate wasn't allowed into a club because he was "too drunk" when he was the flaming sober driver!!! I got kicked out of a club last night for having a flask on me and I just got told "f##k off", I was reasonable and co-operative and I didn't argue with them. Never been talked to by a cop like that, and they are usually easy to talk to and polite unlike bouncers.

Yep - having to deal with bouncers is one of the reasons (apart from lack of money, and ########s in general) as to why I hardly go out these days. No matter how nice you are to them, if there's anything they don't like about you, even the tiniest thing...welcome to Hell. Like your mate, I've been refused entry/ejected for being "drunk" even when I've only had one drink, or worse still - nothing. I've also been accused of having a fake ID quite a few times, since I still look fairly young for 26.

While yeah - I'm sure there are some ######## cops out there...I've never been sworn at, manhandled, or blamed for doing something that I didn't do, or judged by my appearance, etc by a cop.
 

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Im going to publicly shame a big night club here in adelaide on the bouncers subject.

Had my birthday back in january, went all over town going everywhere, we get to mansions we're going through the checks they ok all of us except 1 of my mates.

The bouncer tells him his ID has expired (which to his surprise had, he'd been up north working), so fair enough.

He then decides to accuse him of tampering with the expiry date on his ID and starts mouthing off to him, I ask him what the problem is.... he tells me to **** the **** up.

Refuses to hand my mates ID back, I inform him its illegal to hold on to it, he then starts making out like he's calling the cops on his radio, I make a remark about me calling the cops for real and having him get charged as he's holding his ID, tells us sapol are on there way and we should run.

At this point I identify myself as a security license and inform him that he has 30 seconds to hand over the license, he laughs so I start to call sapol for real on my phone (knowing they wont show up to this crap.

Throws the ID at my mate and tells him to **** off and never come back.

Next day I send the management there an email demanding a please explain and get sent this longwinded email from their head of security who claims he was there witnessed all of it, that he could guarantee my mate had a fake ID, we were lucky we didnt have charges pressed against us (for what?) and that I would need a court order to get a copy of the security footage.

I would have submitted a formal complaint but without the security footage which they just woulda wiped it wouldnt have done anything, i've mentioned this to a few cops who i used to work with in nightclubs and mansions is notorious for this.

I'm pretty easy going when i do security or bar work, but i wont break the law, and if someone so much as raises their voice at me ill refuse them entry / service.

Friday night i had some guy accuse me of any number of things because he came through the browse lane of the hotel i was contracting for, waited 2 minutes, then threw a tantrum because everyone in the service lane got served and he didnt.

He gets told yeah mate your in the browse lane, you pick what you want and come to us, we'd serve you there if it was quiet but there are 4 cars in the service lane.

He then starts to go on about how he got cut off and was meant to be in that lane, and starts yelling at everyone even the customers.

So i tell him he's refused service. Leave, gives me this bf story about how he's waited 10-15m.

I tell him leave.

Comes back 5m later... is staring right at me acts nice demands service, I tell him he's raised his voice at me, come back tomorrow, we dont tollerate that here we provide a safe environment for EVERYONE.

He stares right at me and starts demanding my name, considering I had a name badge on with my name in clear view for him to read and he couldnt make it out he was that out of it I wouldnt have allowed him service if he was being nice.



Anyway as for security guards id keep it out of this thread

as for the do's and donts.... just be up front with the officer, if you've done something bad, and are real about it (lets face it, if you've been doing something bad and been pulled over for it, they'd just love you to lie about it and make it worse).

They are more lenient.. I think I hold the record here for most times being pulled over in one trip.. last year when i broke my ribs in the blue mountains and drove back to adelaide in one hit with that and pneumonia it was same weekend bathurst was on, cant remember exact amount of times I got pulled over but it was about 8 times alone in bathurst, countless times in country nsw, 4 times when i crossed over to vic, and another 5 times in SA all within a 16 hour window.

I was driving a wrx with P plates..... which normally gives them a bundle of excuses, hobbling out of a car sick as hell with broken ribs, helped a lot to mask that... the one spot I was doing something wrong was heading into mildura, chick cop pulled me over and I admitted I was shaking a bit due to the pain and my lungs.

Expected to get a penalty for it.... instead got escorted into town and she let me rest for an hour in a carpark.

The other times I got pulled over... Hi how you going officer. Heres license and SA rego papers. Where do I breathe on this thing?..... and I was good to go most of the time (all the nsw cops checked my tint levels with a light thingy). All the SA cops checked my tyre tread but then I was good to go.
 

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Whilst you may have personally managed to stay out of trouble with your questionable... approach, it's not particularly responsible in suggesting other people try it. If you believe you are an authority on law, then for sure roll the dice and take your chances. But for those who would prefer not to walk the fine line, then I suggest to them to stay in their vehicle and await further instructions from the police officer. I certainly advise against being a smart arse. One day it's going to bite you..

You are correct in assuming the police do have limits in what they can direct you to do. It must be a lawful direction. Like it or not, legislation allows police to deliver a lawful direction for many reasons, just a few I have already mentioned. Failing to follow a direction can land you with a hefty infringement and/or a court appearance. And if you decide to challenge that decision in court, you will want to do a very good job convincing the magistrate that you had a valid reason for refusing to follow a direction.

This is getting a bit distorted. I don't have a "questionable method" of dealing with police during pull-overs as I have only cited two examples of what I have done. On other occasions, I've stayed in the car because there was no need or point in getting out. I'm certainly not suggesting that others do as I have but my point is, and keep in mind we are dealing with police in two different states, that whilst police have certain powers, they DO have limits to those powers. I'd suggest that any officer who tried to charge you with disobeying a lawful order to get back in your car would look very foolilsh if the matter ended up in court. I know from my working experience with the HWP that very few of them would have tried to either issue a Court Attendance Notice or arrest and charge a motorist because he failed to get back in his car. To do that would have required a far more serious offence to have occurred as well. And as for being a smart arse, well, that is an instant way to find yourself in strife. My demeanour on both occasions was in no way intended to be smart or offensive.

The advantage I have over many members on this forum is that, having worked with police for nearly 40 years, they don't intimidate me and I have a good understanding of exactlyh how they are supposed to treat the public, particularly during traffic stops. Remember, it's a two-way street. Just because they have pulled you over for something doesn'ty automatically entitle them to treat you badly, unless you give them cause. (And no, breaking the traffic regs is not sufficient cause for them to treat you badly.) Just getting out of the car, and reaching for your licens, without being asked, hardly constitutes a threat to them.

The second incident I outlined would have been far more problematical for the police officer than it would have for me. He was being a bully and it backfired on him. I know that if I had pursued the matter and insisted on going to the police station, he would have had some very hard explaining to do. I didn't outine the lead up to the pull-over because it wasn't relevant, but the circumstances on that occasion made it clear that the officer was out to score a few easy defects, nothing more.
 
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Last time I got pulled over I got pretty nervous because I didn't know what I'd done wrong to attract the attention. I was then subjected to a "random licence check", a "random breath test" and a "random registration check". How "random" is that?

Anyway, didn't have any problems with any of the above and then had to answer questions about where I was going - fortunately, I was too nervous to be a smart arse with that question. The officer wasn't a prick about any of it, but I couldn't help but feel that I got pulled over simply because I was driving a VL Commodore.
 

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well i got pulled over for being under suspicion of being suspicious.
 
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