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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by gocommygo, May 17, 2006.

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  1. Tatiana

    Tatiana Administrator Staff Member

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    Copied from www.erowid.org

    A very informative site about the complex relationship between humans and pyschoactives.

    http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health3.shtml
    Does Cannabis Cause Psychosis?
    There are several distinct types of "causes": necessary, sufficient, and component. A necessary cause is one that must be present before the result can occur. A sufficient cause is one that is, by itself, enough to cause the result. A component cause is one that is part of a "constellation" of causes that work together to bring about a result.

    All of the recent research into this issue has found that cannabis is neither necessary nor sufficient to cause schizophrenia by itself.5 Rather, it is most likely a component factor when combined with a variety of other potential issues such as genetic pre-disposition or difficult childhood. Cannabis use, along with its attendant lifestyle and subculture, probably worsens symptoms in some of those vulnerable to psychotic disorders. The same is commonly said of the psychedelics such as LSD or psilocybin. As we don't know what causes schizophrenia, determining how important a factor cannabis use is cannot be determined.

    Cannabis use could be a precipitating component in several ways. Heavy cannabis use may worsen certain coping mechanisms and weaken familial or social support through social disapproval. Fear of legal problems could cause anxiety and paranoid feelings; actual legal problems could damage self-esteem, damage hopes for life goals, or cause serious life problems. Cannabis intoxication can lower inhibitions and self control, worsen some symptoms to the point of dysfunction, or be part of a lifestyle that involves irregular sleep or other instability. It is easy to imagine that the effects of frequent or high dose cannabis intoxication could exacerbate these underlying instabilities and lead to increased paranoia and delusions.

    C.
     
  2. ucwepn

    ucwepn America just kicked in yo

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    Ok I have some experience in this area being a former long term marijuana smoker. I smoked when I was younger started at around 14 or so then on and off till around 22 then stopped for a couple of years until I started doing shift work at this factory with allot of mates and started to smoke a little here then a little there. Then it became a daily thing after a few months but after a year or so it just became a DRUGFEST at work, at home ,in the car. Just basically stoned 24/7 kept the pipe in the car and always had some buds on me. We were stopping the production line on night shift and going out to the car for a session then coming back to work with heavy machinery. Lunch involved driving home really fast chopping up, smoking then driving back to work equally fast. The bosses knew, everyone knew. Me and the missus were smoking around 3-5 grams a day, every day without fail and this led to her getting psychosis (we were occasionally dabbling in other harder substances also, but I blame the Marijuana). This work habit went on for around 3 years unchanged. You cannot imagine how much choof we were smoking.

    I look back now having been clean for 22 months and think Damn what a waste of braincells and money LOL ($250 a week I could have a GTS by now)

    If you legalize or even decriminalize it, will just lead to a lazy psychotic nation that doesn't know what its doing and is forgetful and hungry LOL
     
  3. Spyper

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    I'm not for decriminilisation, I'm about legalisation and regulation.

    Making it legal to smoke does nothing to the current system except stop people from being charged. And it'd hardly lead to a country of lazy psychotic people.
     
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    xlr8_87 No longer a commy driver

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    as far as i'm concerned they should ban alcohol as well
    its a drug, id happily live without it, and there'd be less deaths around
    sure you still would get the same sort of alcohol trade as there is with drugs currently, but i imagine itd be better for us all
    if you cant have a good time without alcohol then really you're of no use to society
     
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    ucwepn America just kicked in yo

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    How exactly would you know what it leads to? It is not a good thing for weak willed people to get into because they will never quit. I know a couple of people who have developed psychosis and have never touched anything other than marijuana (to my knowledge). Decriminalising is the same as what you are suggesting with the "legislation" and control. Control is an illusion. Crime will not magically stop, dealers will turn to harder drugs to sell to support their incomes.

    You are a smoker obviously because only smokers would want new legislation
     
  6. Stretcher Bearer

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    Many keep touting Marijuana as a harmless drug. yeah right.

    Acute Psychosis or any other acute mental illness isn't caused by the 'added chemicals'. THC can exacerbate underlying predisposition to acute psychosis.

    Look how easily it can disinhibit people. SO likewise it can make undelying emotions surface. It CAN alter brain chemistry sufficiently to lead to long term mental illness. .

    Would you really want someone who is so immedialtely affected by THC to then just hop in their car and drive? A common thing I see in dope smokers is the induced arrogacne after prolonged use, that they can somehow function normallywhilst regualrly using it.

    Look at ucwepn, he was operating machinery!

    Would you like to see me have a copuple of cones and then tear out in my ambulance? No. So why should everyone else take that dangerous risk.

    Just belive it is dangerous has a rapid effect and is potentially dangeorus short and long term outcome that no one can accurately predict.
     
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    Nope not a smoker at all, I hate the ****. I don't disagree with you about weak minded people trying it either, they shouldn't. But it being illegal won't stop people.

    Making it legal will make it harder to buy (as criminal growers would go out of business .. too many costs) and the RIGHT information will be distributed.

    As for harder drugs, they should be made legal too. Produced by private industry, government regulated (like pharmacueticals) and taxed. Harm minimisation is the only thing that will stop potential 'risk' groups from getting overboard. Not laws to prohibit drugs.

    Long time users without dope can seem like they're on speed. After that long of use, they're only 'normal' when stoned.
     
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    my 2cents worth, i used to totally disagree with weed, now i dont mind. Im not a stoner, but i respect the fact that i have m8s that are and i respect their decisions. Wot i dont respect is when they even consider using other drugs. Basically, weed is probably the safest narcotic buzz u can get in relation to the other **** thats out there, ie methamphetimine. Someone on weed will just laugh and eat, someone on other stuff is likely to beat the crap out of someone or some other **** like that.
     
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    Massive generalisation and inequity there dolphin. If dope is legal, why shouldn't speed or to a greater extent, heroin? All provide an artificial 'buzz' but some are considered more dangerous than others.
     
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    Against Relaxed Drug Rules.

    There is no doubt that cigs ang grog have adverse effects, and are "legal". However, IMHO that should have no bearing on the legal situation with any other drug. Each one should be considered separately against personal health and community good.

    Justification based on other approved drugs would only lead to incremental approval of more and more drugs, which would be unlikely to be a good outcome for the individual and society. Just because we have some bad approved drugs is no reason to make things worse.

    With regards to the health issues with pot, there is much mis-information out there. The drug industry wants everyone to believe that pot is harmless. You might say that they have a vested interest in promoting that cause.

    One of my brothers is a psychiatrist, and he says the medical evidence is strongly pointing to long term use of pot being considerably worse than the combined effects of cigs and grog.

    I personally don't think that we should encourage any more drug problems in society than those we already have to live with.
     
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    Regardless of moral issues the whole psychosis theory is used in controlled environment so the testers can use that as an excuse to keep it illegal. it doesnt cause psychosis it causes those with the underlying "symptoms" to be more prone to it.
    Basically, the Govt wont be able to make money off it so it will stay illegal... simple
     
  12. gocommygo

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    and uhm ucwepn, using heavy machinery how many accidents happened? id love to grill all day again ^_^
     
  13. ucwepn

    ucwepn America just kicked in yo

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    None caused by us. we used to play smash ups with the forklifts on nightshift haha
     
  14. gocommygo

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    haha thatd b mad, working stoned is pretty fun time flies and i manage to work a little harder :O where i work some people come in absolutely drunk as and work wasted and noone cares :| o well lol
     
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    what sort of industry do you work in?
    isn't it in a sawmill or something?

    hope its fun when you or your drunken/stoned workmates put their hand or something through a saw.
     
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  16. gocommygo

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    i work at a sawmill slaving my F****N ass off for 8.90 an hour. u cant put ur hands or anything into the saws ;) ur not even in them even if u work in the mill lol
     
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    you'd be surprised at the number of people i've seen cut fingers or hands off in machinery that you can't put your hands in.
     
  18. gocommygo

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    lol thats cuz of ppl like me poking and prodding things :|
     
  19. gocommygo

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    for example i sumtimes stick my fingers or hands under conveyer belts for the fun of it :|
     
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    Actually it can cause psychosis on it's own without underlying predisposition to mental illness or a 'surpressed' scizophrenia.
     
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