Well, do you really need low down torque when you have a high stall tho?
*isnt that the reason or did i miss the point of them?*
as for the trade of, I am not huge on smashin ppl on the streets, and if i do its from a stand still start (ie lights) if ppl go me while i am driving along i tend to leave them alone or just drop a gear and into better rev range.. plus, if its barely keeping idle while driving along and other road users can hear that an want to go, i just would be like.. Meh... Mines better... and leave them alone to look like fools.. Just like a do right now when stupid cars like excels/getz/jazz etc etc try an look cool..