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Eco V6 swap to 304 V8 in column shift auto ute

Discussion in 'VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)' started by Gus The Snail, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Gus The Snail

    Gus The Snail Born to be dizlegzic

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    Hi gang, has anyone done this swap before or am i the first? Currently having a few issues with some stuff, the ellery's manual isnt hlelping much, so looking at the brains trust for some insight.

    Ive found the P/n saftey switch electrics on the side of the 6 box wont go onto the 8 box due to a shorter selector shaft, has anyone remedied that? if so, what did you do?

    Im a little concerned with the shifter linkage box on the firewall being too close to the body. I currently have the 8 motor and box on the ground and the body dangling above it ready to be lowered down. Is the shifter box going to be an issue at all?
     

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    Gus The Snail Born to be dizlegzic

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    ok, so i made an adapter up to lengthen the shifter rod out of the gearbox and first tests it seems to work well, have lowered the body almost to the point of lining up the kframe up, but still not 100% in position to check shifter clearances
     
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    woteva NEED 4 SPEED

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    Did V8 ute ever come with column shift?
    I know that I have never seen one.
     
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    Gus The Snail Born to be dizlegzic

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    Ive asked on a few different pages, and no-one can answer yes or no.

    Current problem is, its all bolted in, and ready to crank via key, but i get nothing, not even a starter relay click. Currently im putting it down to the park/neutral safety switch no aligned properly, but cant 100% rule that out till i have another set of hands to help me
     
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    I might be wrong but the column NSS shouldn't change position even if it's a V8 unless the column is moved into another posi somehow. But AFAIK the column in a ute is fixed and can't really be altered. I don't see how changing linkages will alter the position of the NSS since it sits under the column shroud under the steering wheel and screws in a fixed position. There is not really hardly any adjustment, if any for the switch on a column auto.
     
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    Ok just reread first post you have a VS did the column switch get moved when the VS came out?
     
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    Gus The Snail Born to be dizlegzic

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    Dont know about any other model, but on the box for the column, the gear selecot shaft is longer. IVe made an adapter for the V8 box as its too short. The NSS bolts to the side of the box ( bolt holes are on side of all boxes ) and it has a small amount of swing adjustment. I can get the car to crank if i short out the starter wire up at the battery, but zilch operation from the key, even with rotating NSS and going thru the gears. Im at a loss why its not wanting to crank off the key.
     
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    VR column has the switch just under the lever, must have changed with the intro of the VS.
     
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    Just pulled an old thread on the switch location and yeah it varies. Even some column VR apparently have it where your's is located. Seems like it changed with the introduction of the adjustable steering wheel position.
     
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    IIrc only cars with inhibitor on auto were vs series 3 or vt models.

    Guessing incomplete starter wiring circuit so you'll have to bypass or bridge wires temporarily if you want it to crank or start

    Never really looked at column auto cars to note the differences tbh



    ** if switch is on column put test light on it to check it works P & N
     
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    Gus, are you able to remove the steering column shroud and just have a look to see if there is a switch there? It sounds like there isn't but it's a five minute job and you can tick that off the list.
     
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    I wrecked an all original accident damaged 45,000Km Series 1 VS that had the Column shift and that had the inhibitor switch on the side of the Transmission, yes it had an adjustable steering wheel, thus why Losh's column stumped me when I had to drop it to get the instrument cluster out for repairs recently. I think I still have the switch assembly stashed away in the shed. VT onwards had the switch mounted on the gearbox throughout the full range of vehicles as no column shifts were made in that model onwards. VS was the last in a long line of Holden's that sported a Column shift. In saying that I'm not sure if a VN ever had a column shift as I've never seen one.
     
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    Ok, here is the lowdown..

    Did the 45 min trick, nothing.. Still no starter motor engagement.

    Locked car, waited till flashy dash light flashed, it did. unlocked car, flashy light went out, still no start. unplugged start wire at battery and shorted it while ignition on, car starts, idles and revs no problems. Turn key off, engine stops. Try restart via key and nothing, even the relay isnt clicking. Its gotta be something simple im missing, a wire somewhere or a blown fuse maybe???
     
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    Success!!!! Found a pink with white trace wire on NSS wasnt in properly and not making a connection. Pushed wire back in and it now key starts
     
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    Yeah !!!!
     
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    Always good when solution turns out to be simple fix.

    Well done dude.
     
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    Gus The Snail Born to be dizlegzic

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    Ok, for all interested in doing this, or thinking of undertaking it, you dont need to mod the shifter linkage on the firewall, you do however need the lengthened shifter rod on the side of the gearbox. I would recommend lifting the body and dropping it back onto the kframe/motor/box combo, you will have to push the rod out of the way of the dizzy while lowering body, but it easily clears it once at correct position. For the gearbox NSS ( Neutral Safety Switch ) I made an adapter up, but that's not to say you cant pull the pan off the box and swap out the selector shafts. Also note, ive done the level 3 dash upgrade, and am currently getting the odo changed to suit the original km my car has. Im happy to answer any Q's anyone has on the matter as best i can.

    Cheers!
    Lok.
     
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    Is there any reason you can't just mount the NSS on the column?
     
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    Space, and a whole new selector thing would have to be made i think.. IDK, but what ive done works.
     
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    No, no I was thinking more if anyone else wanted to do it and had column shift, as early columns has column switch where some others like yours had it on the trans.
     

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