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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by boss, Jan 30, 2004.

  1. boss

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    I was talking to a police officer friend of mine who was explaning the tatics of the police force to catch speed offenders. The local government was unhappy with the revenue raised from police officers in his area, so asked the station to concentrate on speeding. Their best efforts were still unsucessful however with little caught offenders in a month. The management at the station decided it was time for drastic measures.

    On a hill in the area the police and government changed the speed from 60 to 70. they did put sinage up but it was only for the hill then went back to 70 again. every day for a 3 weeks the police handed out fines untill they got their quota.

    The point is I'm all for if you get caught you pay the fines, but sneeky tactics to raise revenue are not ok. Money raised by speeding fines should be placed back into making our roads safer, there are some really dodgy roads in Victoria.

    Whats everyones thoughts? Has anyone seen crappy tactics like this used before?
     
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    I too have seen the same tactic, a local straight was dropped down to 40kph. Fines were handed out for the first 2 months almost every afternoon (workers coming home). The community complained then with no questions asked the limit was resigned and returned to 60kph. Dodgy and no doubt revenue raising but it's everywhere and there's no easy answer.

    Jake.
     
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    Yeah on the highway near me (the Hume in VIC) over the space of about 3-4km the speed limit goes from 90km/h, to 80km/h to 70km/h then to 100km/h and finally 110km/h, its just ridiculus, and some of these changes take place for no apparent reason.
     
  4. pip75

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    The same up here in Brissy Qld a stretch of road which use to be the old Bruce highway between Narangba and Burpengary,alot of differnet signs ,goes from 80 to 60 to 70 to 60 and back to 80. These signs never change but if you do not know the road or have missed a sign you go. They recently changed a 60 zone on a road that a school is on to 50 (decent downhill run. wide road clear vision etc ) and in school times drops to 40 further up the road, every morning since Tuesday our local boys in blue are having a field day for unsuspecting parents. I guess our areas revenue raising has been met already this year..lol

    Pip

    P.S For all those northside brissy( Kallangur Area) people it's Sheaves Rd Dakabin. Slow down or smile as you go by!!

    Have a good one!

    If you cant be good be good at it......, if your good at it ENJOY it
     
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    If they are not meeting their ticket quota is this not a good thing? Does it not mean that they are doing their job and it is working? That people are slowing down?!

    Underhand tactics like this are an outrage, and blatant tax collecting.

    Mike
     
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    I know we hashed this out in a previous thread, but I still think speeding fines are considered revenue raisers from a government point of view.

    To further reduce the road toll in SA, I read in the paper last week that they are considering taking demerit points from drivers caught using mobile phones. This is their latest deterent. Oh and they are also raising the fine for using a mobile whilst driving!
     
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    which is fair enough, i think driving with a mobile phone is more dangerous then speeding.

    anyway, yes its stupid tactics, well, smart tactics really if they wanna hide behind tree's and come from nowhere with them stupid frikken cone/ torch things to pull you over.. let them go. the funniest thing i've seen was the speed camera ahead sign turned side on to the road, could only see it as you were nearly right next to it.. and by the time you've seen the sign you've gone past the camera.

    but yeah, ill stand by my argument saying people on handheld mobile phones are dangerous, if they are talking thats bad, but sms is just a killer. hey i admit that i do it to an extent, but im always two hands on the wheel with loudspeaker on.. im sick of seeing people at lights just sitting there or not giving way at roundabouts because they are chatting away.. absolutely bullshit
     
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    I agree too that talking/sms'ing on mobiles whilst driving is dangerous, and yes I too do it at times.

    I was just pointing out that the SA government are using this as the latest deterant as a way to reduce the road toll.
     
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    We all do it or have done it im sure! Its quite a skill to driving a manual and sending an sms. In saying that its best to wait for the lights, I force myself to not drive and txt now.

    Mike.
     
  10. Garth

    Garth Your guess is as good as mine...... Staff Member

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    At the risk of backlash here, i have something for everyone to read, it's below. no abuse, no quoting, nothing like that, just remember, it's a personal oppinion.

    Speed
    61% of fatal crashes involved speed age 17-24 had speed as a contributing facotr

    31% of newly licensed drivered aged 17 expected to loose their licence within the 1st yr of holding their "p's"

    39% of newly licensed males aged 17 said speeding added to the enjoyment of their trip

    16% of drivers under 25 increased their driving speed (speeding speed) in the last 24 months

    93% of drivers involved ina speed related crash faced major scaring, emotional, pysical, and mental. 78% of those driver's will never walk again

    i work on weekends with a young boy who's parents were in a car crash, they were hit by a speeding car, driver was 23. the young boy will never speak again, he's scared for life, and will never walk without the aid of a walking stick again, he now needs 24 hour care. he's now 31

    you tell me, does speeding pay, i have no sympathy for people caught speeding. there is no such thing as safe speeding.

    Just remember, this is my opionon no backlash is required, just thing about it.

    source's
    Australian institue of health and welfare new's letter.
    Commonwealth department of health and aged care worker's
    Australian transport saftey bureau
     
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    Garth: I agree with that totally. I have raised this before in another post. Sadly young males get behind the wheel of a car and 'the rules' of life make them speed, drive dangerously, do burnouts - whatever. This sometimes comes at a cost, their life or the life of an innocent.

    Jafo and I met today, and we discussed this. I have long held the belief that one gets a drivers licence too easily, then are let loose in any sort of vehicle. Surely at the least a restriction on motor size till you have driven for a year or two. Why not have as a component of driving lessons a section that deals with emergency situations, how to control a car in the wet, breaking distances etc etc.

    Give a young person a licence, who can now reverse park beautifully, and a powerful car - your just increasing the risk.
     
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    Well for those who make a living from ripping people off they sure can play sneaky tactics. They can't get it any other way.
     
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    I agree also, as a young person. The fact of the matter is that speed and driving like a moron is a bug that needs to be culled from the system, but usually this only happens the hard way. I have said in previous threads that compulsary and extensive driver training can be one of the only solutions, but even then I know it wont cut down on the foolish driving and speeding. I learned the hard way, with a $600 fine for driving like a ******** on a public road, and I deserved it. Im anti moronic driving now, I employ all young people to save the rage for the track. It endangers others, (more oftern than not in fatal smashes its your mates that pay the ultimate price) and yourself, as well as your beloved car.

    I love giving my car a ring in a circle as much as the next guy, but not when it could cost me money or limbs, mine or other.

    Use and avalibility of areas to thrash it out - thats another area altogether, I'll stick up a vote for it soon.

    Mike.
     
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    About a year after I got my licence I got busted doing 2km/h over the speed limit (60). Obviously the cop did not like the way I looked!

    As any 19 year old would do, I took it to court (OK these days you would have to leave town after doing this!), mainly because I was already down to one point and also because I could not afford the money.

    Well anyway the Judge laughed it out of court and the cop was given a very big slap on the wrist.

    The moral of the story is ....there is none but do you think you would get away with it now? I think not!

    Regards Guy.
     
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    Thats just crazy. Im pretty sure anyone these days could still get away with 2kph over. No speedo is that accurate.

    Mike.
     
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    Unfair tactics are what happened to a mates work college. He has a new XR8 and was driving over commenwealth ave bridge in ACT when an SS pulled up beside him and started to give his car a rev. The guy in the XR8 took off and about 500m down the road the SS put its lights on and pulled him over and he was charged for dangerous driving and they said he changed lanes 7 times. Now THAT is unfair!
     
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    My opinion, speed camera's are our real enemy, Be it fixed or camera van. Let me put it this way, if i'm speeding accidently or deliberately and i get pulled over by a cop with a gun or in a car driving it's a fair ticket, but go past a speed camera that you don't know about you get your photo taken but what else happens? NOTHING, you keep on driving possibly unaware that you are over the speed limit. At least when the cop with a gun or in the car pulls you over he is actually preventing you from continuing to speed (at that point in time anyway), what does the fixed camera or camera van do, takes a photo and that's it. You continue on your merry way, at exactly the same speed. If that isn't the biggest example of failing in there duty of care towards motorists i don't know what is, the fact that the cop in the van just sits there and watches you go by when they could,ve given him a gun to do the same job makes me shake my head in disbelief at the way the pollies think.

    How would you go in court if you took photo's of someone bashing the **** out of someone else,had the means to prevent this incident from continuing further, but did nothing about it but watch. You'd probably get bent over and royally reamed.

    This is exactly what fixed and camera van's are doing to us, take a photo and let us get back to you after we've finished our donut's.

    Question the cop's about all this and they say don't blame us where only doing our jobs, fair enough, but their also the one's that could stand up for themselves and refuse to enforce laws that go over the top.

    Mention duty of care to them (they are public servants after all) and they don't like being on the receiving end.

    Laslty, Yes- i have a number of friends that are cop's.
    No- i don't condone speeding in any way, you should drive to the current
    conditions of the road. Unfortunately sometimes this is higher than the
    stated speed.
     

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