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Discussion in 'The LAN Lounge' started by Holdenman, Sep 30, 2016.
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Haha, once you get that far the Internet is your bottleneck.
what's the point in NBN when it's as fast as existing cable. LNP totally ruined this country's internet and threw away billions in the process.
It's funny that my brother got Cable internet about 12 years ago that had a 30mbps connection. Yet this is our awesome! fantastic! amazing! for the future! NBN program. Thanks LNP you idiots.
I feel for you, and a lot of the problem must be local connections as here are my tests from Christchurch 8:20am NZ Local time
Brisbane 76/84 (Voda) 58 ping
Sydney 57/80 (Telstra) 156 ping
Melbourne 47/81 (Telstra) 147 ping
It was the same here in NZ, anyone can upgrade core components or shape traffic without you knowing but when they decided to deliver "fibre to the door" (actuallt living room), that was where it became a game changer.
My post had nothing to do with the NBN! I am not on NBN. I am on something MUCH better - FTTH. That's FIBRE TO THE HOME!
However regarding the NBN, there is nothing wrong with the current model. While I have FTTH, I am also happy to admit that it's not necessary. Spending $50 billion to deliver a network thats technology would be out of date before the 15 year rollout was finished was simply a ridiculous undertaking. Improving the network to nodes makes far more sense. Is cheaper to do, cheaper to maintain and cheaper to upgrade.
Isn't that what the NBN is these days? Running Fibre to the Node (FTTN).Where as initially it was Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) which imo was a much better future-proof plan.
Yes - the NBN is currently FTTN. Which is perfectly adequate (speeds of up to 1gbps are achievable from node to premises) and easier to upgrade. FTTP/FTTH same thing.
The problem is too many people focus on "what's the absolutely best technology" rather than "what's the best solution in terms or real world use". It's about thinking smarter. Something the current government is doing regarding the NBN. Ultimately, the future for the typical residential consumer is wireless. I already get 120mbps on my mobile phone! Better than the FTTP/FTTH I have at home.
I disagree. FTTH is a much better system. Fibre technology is constantly improving, and as long as the fibre is laid, a simple upgrade of the sending and receiving points will result in an upgrade of speed. FTTN still relies on antiqued copper cables and hardware, while is already at End Of Life. So later you have to go back and rip up all the copper, change all the hardware to support fibre only, and relay everything.
No matter what ALL the copper will degrade, it's completely inevitable and replacing it will only become more expensive as time drags on. At over 1000 times the bandwidth and 100 times the distance glass makes a solid replacement foundation from now into the foreseeable future, we've learned it's lifespan is actually pretty decent possibly longer than already speculated. As transmitter and receiver technology continues to improve the fibre will be more than capable of dealing with it. Almost every year there seems to be a 'breakthrough', I think the current peak sits somewhere above the 1 terabit range.
My first hand experience with FTTN is ****, there's oodles of it here in Canberra thanks to TransACT taking on Telstra back in the day. As more in my neighborhood join up the congestion gets worse and the story is the same across numerous other suburbs. 90mb download speed and I can barely stream YouTube on a Sunday night, my previous ADSL2 did better.
Short story; it seems we're back to square one just with a new name.... when you're a tax payer who works in said industry it's hard not to be a little peeved at our overlords mismanagement of the whole affair.
ultimately as in 30 years or 60 if the LNP are in power? currently if you get a few people together the mobile network craps itself, good luck trying to move the population's primary usage to that. not to mention ping and the fact that fixed wireless NBN is 25mbit, nowhere near your "120mbit". plus if FTTN is so good how come your mobile has better internet.
in case you haven't noticed, the copper network needs replacing, the government is throwing billions of good money after bad
WTF? I have FTTH, yes FTTH. 100Mbps! My Telstra mobile data speeds are FASTER! And not only that, 5G is already in the pipeline and will be exponentially faster again.
For me it's not about speed. Once I can watch youtube videos/netflix etc without buffering at HD quality, which is only about 40/50Mbs, after that it's all about latency and consistency. Wireless can't keep up with consistency at this point vs wired
Very true. At this point.
It's getting better. However 3g/4g/5g/6g/xg/9g/12456g Whatever they want to call it next needs to also have prices that are aligned. I am paying $50 for 6gb of data. Can be the quickest thing in the world and consistent as all hell, but that is not a pricing frame I will agree too.
But like most things, as the technology gets developed/used it gets cheaper and cheaper.
Friends of mine bought a 50 inch plasma for nearly $20,000!!! Technology gets a LOT L O T cheaper over time. As well as getting a whole lot better at the same pace.
yep, and FTTN is slower than FTTH, you said so yourself
I know. Sorry I'm confused what you're arguing about lol
Well you said FTTN is the best solution in terms of real world use but then you said your mobile is faster than ftth so if fttn is slower than wireless, ftth and cable what's the point? Who would want that.
Don't worry, Sheldon was once Raj and Raj was a clown who never let the facts get in the way of a good conflict. FTTH is waaaay faster than any current wireless tech by a long shot and will likely continue accelerating in line with the current difference (43Tb/s vs. 1Gb/s). Raj among others just dont pay the 6 figures per year to gain the 100Gb/s throughput fiber could deliver.
We have a gun to our heads with the telco/ISP industries and a bunch of toothless regulatory bodies in this country, that is the actual problem, not the tech. Mobile data is very important don't get me wrong but much like solar or wind energy it can only be supplemental to the world we've created.
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