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First car for a girl

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Get her a v8! Naah, but something small ( not a 3 cylinder daewoo ) and safe is the go, anything recent from mazda, toyota, even renault makes a decent car these days
 

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Have to laugh at the Renault comment. Ever tried getting a new key for one of those things?

Back on topic, the Hyundai Sonata isn't all that bad of a first car.
 

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Have to laugh at the Renault comment. Ever tried getting a new key for one of those things?

Back on topic, the Hyundai Sonata isn't all that bad of a first car.
Easy fixed. Don't loose the fkn key. Oh hang on. It doesn't have one. It's got a proximity card and push button start.
 

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So the 4 star ANCAP rating on the Sonata he just bought is inferior to the 4 star rating on your Evo 8?

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Had this discussion with a few people on here. The debate from most of them is the safety rating, insurance studies on them etc.

My statement comes from my time in engineering working with the parts that go into them and being in the CFS as a road crash specialist.

I find a lot of the safety ratings irrelivent because it depends to the conditions the vehicle is in at the time.

I mostly see those 2 vehicles after some chick or her bf has rolled it in the hills coming around a bend, most common one is rainy night, comes around a bend with a yellow 55 sign in an 80 zone and goes through doing anywhere from 60-90km, fish tails and hits the side or rolls.

Take into account its a small car, the airbags help, but take into account what it is and the crumple zones.

Seen more people walk away from rolling a 1985-2005 model commodore/falcon/toyota in the exact same circumstances then walking away from any hyundai, daewoo or kia.

Your ancap safety rating is all good and well if your going to drive straight into a wall or have another car hit you.


A few things that could improve these cars which probably wont happen for a long time yet :

+Tyre pressure sensors.... yes i know its a massive ask most cars dont even have these yet...... but the amount of crashes i've been too where some guys mrs didnt knew how to pump up tyres but had never checked them and it was hte straw that broke the camels back.

+ABS i seriously find it hard to believe some cars dont have this, its 2012.... and you still can find cars without ABS. WHY. WHY. WHY. it should be standard.

+Better quality of metal body design...... one particular bend in the hills I had some idiot kid roll a VT exec smash his passenger window and get out before we got there...... had 2 girls one roll a Holden cruze (which fair better) and another who rolled a Hyundai Excel...... The commodore apart from a scratched up body would have still been good, the windshields didnt even crack. Both the cruze and Excel's roofs were crushed in..... both screens broke and the hyundai also started pissing fuel everywhere.... i didnt hear the reason why it did that though but I dont believe that was design maybe another issue.

+Again on the metal..... using a standard cutting disc can get through any body part on a comodore or ford in 10-20 seconds....... daewoo lanos it eats through it.
 

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Astra's are fine.

As long as you don't mind replacing the timing belts every 40,000klm's in the AH's. I brought one for the wife in '06 and it was great on fuel but being a manual I couldn't give the damn thing away when it came time to sell it.



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a great big dirty v8. chances are she will be more responsible then 2/3 of us here.
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Had this discussion with a few people on here. The debate from most of them is the safety rating, insurance studies on them etc.

My statement comes from my time in engineering working with the parts that go into them and being in the CFS as a road crash specialist.

I find a lot of the safety ratings irrelivent because it depends to the conditions the vehicle is in at the time.

I mostly see those 2 vehicles after some chick or her bf has rolled it in the hills coming around a bend, most common one is rainy night, comes around a bend with a yellow 55 sign in an 80 zone and goes through doing anywhere from 60-90km, fish tails and hits the side or rolls.

Take into account its a small car, the airbags help, but take into account what it is and the crumple zones.

Seen more people walk away from rolling a 1985-2005 model commodore/falcon/toyota in the exact same circumstances then walking away from any hyundai, daewoo or kia.

Your ancap safety rating is all good and well if your going to drive straight into a wall or have another car hit you.
First of all it's got a better safety rating than the equivalent Falcon AND Commodore of that year. Second of all it has ABS. Third of all it's not a small car, it's weight is on par with a VZ Commodore. Believe me we did our research. Do you actually know anything about the Sonata?
 

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First of all it's got a better safety rating than the equivalent Falcon AND Commodore of that year. Second of all it has ABS. Third of all it's not a small car, it's weight is on par with a VZ Commodore. Believe me we did our research. Do you actually know anything about the Sonata?
how about you roll it then talk?
 

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how about you roll it then talk?
I can accept that you say you have seen various cars rolled etc, and anecdotal evidence is always something to be considered. However, since the Sonata is a relatively rare car compared with most, just how many have you actually seen rolled?

As for the brand itself, most of the older Hyundai that I have seen are pretty neglected, and often driven by P platers as a cheap first car. You don't think its got more to do with the lack of maintenance and the skills of the drivers that gets them into trouble in the first place? I would think that gives an older Hyundai a higher chance of being involved in an accident, and therefore a higher chance of you having seen a few rolled?

I challenge your statement that ANCAP ratings mean nothing. They are the industry accepted standard. It kinda reminds me of the old 'GM spends millions on research and development, some guy has a holesaw.. discuss' comment on someones sig in here.. cant remember who. You are saying you know more than the many car companies around the world who spend many millions ensuring their cars are as safe as they can reasonably be, and the independent assessors who test and rate their safety.

Even if in fact the Sonata comes out worse in a rollover ( and I repeat, just how many Sonata rollovers have you actually seen?), rollovers are hardly the most common accident on the road. The Sonata may survive a different impact much better. 4 stars is 4 stars mate, and the ratings aren't pulled out of a hat.

You don't like Hyundais, I get that. Neither do I in the main, they are ugly snotboxes just like WRX's. That doesn't make them death traps.
 

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Personally I think it's a fantastic car to start with. She's 18, worked hard the last two years to get one, bought it outright. Has had no support from anyone.

Main thing is it's a safe mid sized sedan, decent on fuel and something she can be proud of.
 

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lol at the bashing my wrx..... that actually reinforces what i've been getting out on the ancap safety ratings...... doesnt mean much if your gonna do the wrong thing or not look after the car.

I just laugh when people talk about these small cars and safety... aint *** safe about most of them.
 

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lol at the bashing my wrx..... that actually reinforces what i've been getting out on the ancap safety ratings...... doesnt mean much if your gonna do the wrong thing or not look after the car.

I just laugh when people talk about these small cars and safety... aint *** safe about most of them.
I just laugh when people talk about these small cars and safety... and the car they own is smaller than the one they are bagging.. and when people switch directions on their argument. First it was ANCAP ratings mean nothing.. then its not the car that matters at all, its how the car is maintained and driven.. then its all small cars aren't safe...

So, what you are basically saying is all cars are death traps if badly maintained or badly driven. At last we can agree on something.

And I am not bagging your rex. I am using it as a direct comparison against a car which you have labelled a 'death trap' and challenging you to prove that your car is any safer, with direct facts or statistics instead of a random, unnecessary and unsupported comment bagging someone elses pride and joy.
 

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All I want to say, is that I would rather be t-boned by a truck doing 100kp/h in a Commodore than a Barina.
 

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I strongly recommend you avoid such a situation in either car.. and the Sonata we are discussing is a similar size and weight to a Commodore of the same vintage anyway..
 
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