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Discussion in 'VN - VP - VG - VQ' started by greenfoam, Jan 21, 2007.

  1. Pub247

    Pub247 Well-Known Member

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    bz kneez the s1 s2 thing is easily sorted if you have them side by side to compare if you want to pull them both off then go re-read the threads about it and its not hard to figure out.
    Sorry for going off topic in your thread greenfoam:D
     
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    ok then both are off the car at a mates house where i do all the stuff, he has the good tools :) might save it or sumfin print it off and do it tomorrow thanx.
     
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    ive heard you make chips i have 93 vp executive and i am keen to get a chip wat would i am looking for more power how much would it cost for you to make me a nice good safe chip
     
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    hey greenfoam i am looking to put a chip in my car and i herd you are the best so how does it work do i tell u wat i want not that i know wat i want i guess more power obviously or do u kno wat suites each car i have got a 93 vp s2 v6


    thanks
     
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    IMG0001.jpg

    I've been waiting for these for a while. New old stock from the VN Group A :)
     
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    Check the time on that post, 8:08 8-8-08
    nice one :D
     
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    sweeeet. gonna make a group a replica manifold?
     
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    flip the numbers around and it spells the same thing. freaky lol
     
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    Yep, the one I cut down was and is going to be a dual plane but now that I have these trumpets I'm only a length of 45mm tube away from a group A manifold replica so I may as welll make both and see which one goes fastest. It'll be good to have both since I know the group A copy will perform pretty well, it'll be a good backup incase my design goes to crap :)
     
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    not if you're in WA, then it says 6:08 8-8-08 :)

    What's the difference between single- and dual-plane manifolds? Always mean to ask, never have..
     
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    Well I've got the flu and have my room running at about 45c to try and kill it :p but apart from that I'll try and answer. With a single plane manifold the Cylinders fire 1-2-7-8-4-5-6-3

    1-3-5-7

    2-4-6-8

    4, 8 and 3, 1 fire one after the other on the same bank which is a big problem for the exhaust. But no super problem on the intake, With a dual plane you join cylinders 1 4 6 and 7 on one plenum and 2 3 5 and 8 on the other which gives you a perfect split induction. and it effectively makes the engine look like this.

    1 4 6 7

    2 3 5 8

    1-2-7-8-4-5-6-3


    With two smaller plenums you get stronger resonance tuning so it's better in that way, there's not much in it tho unless you get all the dimensions spot on, if you get it spot on it's worth about 8psi on a stock 5 litre which is a good few psi better than the banana
     
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    OK so pretty much for any 5L the dual plane is a better manifold? Didn't really understand the PSI part but what matters is it's a more efficient manifold across the board than the bananas, right?

    Hope you kick the flu pretty quickly, I've just had it too..
    Sam
     
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    How did you go with the trumpets?
     
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    Got the trumpets in a box still, soon as I can be excited enough to go to find some alloy sheet and some tube the right size I'll weld up a replica group A manifold and slide the trumpets in it
     
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    Too bad I dont live just half hour away.

    Do you weld the alloy with tig or mig? I miss welding aluminium with the tig :)
     
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    I have just purchized these as I told Benny I would :D, the most fancy lifters I could find, chilled iron ac delco, factory goodness made in the USA, one less step to that 200rwkw combo I'm supposed to be making, two more steps left to buy that's the cam itself and a gasket set. I have everything else. Can't buy the cam just yet incase I find a better one at the last minute
     

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    Your patience anoys me Jase, hows that group A manifold coming along?
     
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    I like the way your mind works :) Or in this case, how it doesn't.

    You're a spectacular man, Jason. Love your work :p
     
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    Mortus, I finalllllllly got in touch with the cheif grinder at Wade who told me my current cam selection is just what I want but he said the few hundred cams in the calalogue I have are not all the grinds he has and he's going to send me a bigger list (of 5000 cams~!) to do some more simulations on and hopefully find one just a touch bigger. As there's a big gap between small and medium cams in the noramal catalouge I have. He said engine analyzer will be pretty much spot on so go with what it says (they use it).

    He said something that impressed me no end, he said intakes and exhaust lengths are where you make allmost all your power. Cams make very little difference to power but tie the intake and exahust together (as I allready knew) but very refreshing to hear that from a guy that makes them all day. Most companys aren't so honest and professional which is why I was allways going with Wade in the first place I guess.

    He also suggested I run a test on my combo I have planed with one profile he pulled straight out of his head (that oddly enough I had missed in the catalouge!) out of a possible 5000 cams and it's perfect! and I mean perfect, it's worth +10hp peak on the one I had choosen with no real loss anywhere in the rev range except a little dip in the lower mid range and that wont matter and it will keep making power untill 6000 rpm, which is exactly were I want my peak power (this is on my shaved head version of my combo, it's better with the original cam I choose on stock low compression). I'm pretty fussy wanting near stock off stall grunt and big top end but that's the cam for the job, the guy is good :), If anyone wants to know what cam that is, just ask me but I don't want to give it here away incase a local 304 racer reads this.

    EDIT, I have a plan, I'll go for the bigger of the two cams and advance the cam timing right up if I don't get inspired to shave the heads right away, least then I don't have to buy two cams, just some gaskets, combo should be good for deeeeeeeeeeep 12's on shaved heads anyway so that's something

    Double Edit: Now I think I'm going to run the smaller one again, I'm too easily influence ! (back to thinking about it)
     
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    Oh wow, nice. I'm very interested to see how it goes street-wise... never thought you could get much out of essentially a cam only 304.

    Sam
     

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